To clarify, I didn't realize the arm's length argument was limited to long teles. I can see how that would get difficult for sure, but it's just something that would never have occurred to me to try.
deadwolfbones wrote:
But anyway, my main beef with that post was the ongoing arm's length accusation. I've never seen anyone who knows what they are doing use a MILC that way.
Perhaps you're thinking of those Olympus ads, where the model holds the camera up to his eye to look through the rear LCD? Just an FYI, that doesn't actually work very well...
the Oly VF-2 is pretty good. the Lumix VF-1 is merely acceptable. K mount lenses are nowhere near as small and light and will make the body size problem even worse. the K-01 is the second strike in a row as far as i am concerned for Pentax interchangeable lens cameras. anyone upgrading from a P&S will only need to see the size to not care. even the current Lumix and Olympus bodies are too large for most of that crowd but they grudgingly live with it because it's the next step up that they can accept. oh and Pentax is most definitely pretty much only churning the base because how else do you manage to sell pretty much the same number of bodies for the past 4 yrs when the DSLR market close to doubled in that time? ever since they started coming out with multicolored cameras, it has been about style and not substance.
millsart wrote:
What is the correct way, that someone who "knows what they are doing", uses to shoot a camera without a VF or even articulating screen handheld with a long lens
i'm not going to claim i know what i'm doing or that it is a good idea, but here's what i did on the few occasions (3 total i believe) i decide to try shooting my leica R 350mm on my NEX-3. squatted down and rested the tripod mount on my left knee, focused with my left hand, supported the camera with my right hand, and fired the shutter with my right thumb. this worked even without flipping the lcd. if i needed to shoot from a higher angle and had to stand i would flip up the screen and press the camera against my chest. not sure what the best way would be without an articulated screen.
are there better ways of thinking about "support" than copying how we used a tripod or monopod with a DSLR? i really want a detachable wireless viewfinder (maybe clipped to my eyeglasses) that lets me position the camera without me getting down on my belly or hanging over the edge of ...
the tilt-able viewfinder on the 5N is what keeps me from ordering a NEX7.
who will introduce the component camera with a separate hirez OLED viewer with remote camera control that lets you shoot from a comfortable, stable position.
i want a component system way beyond what Ricoh is offering
molson wrote:
Imagine trying to shoot with a 300mm lens (never mind the new 600mm Pentax has listed on their lens roadmap) while holding it the camera out at arm's length to focus and compose. Either they've made some incredible improvements in their shake-reduction technology, or they plan to open a chain of fitness centres to help the Pentax faithful to improve their arm strength.
Yep. I actually have an old 70-210/4 Pentax lens (with superb IQ) but the lack of EVF kills it for me. I'd rather get an adapter and use it on the E-M5. I have both EVF and a tilting screen. No contest.
amplexis wrote:
are there better ways of thinking about "support" than copying how we used a tripod or monopod with a DSLR? i really want a detachable wireless viewfinder (maybe clipped to my eyeglasses) that lets me position the camera without me getting down on my belly or hanging over the edge of ...
the tilt-able viewfinder on the 5N is what keeps me from ordering a NEX7.
who will introduce the component camera with a separate hirez OLED viewer with remote camera control that lets you shoot from a comfortable, stable position.
i want a component system way beyond what Ricoh is offering
i think this would actually be really difficult to use with longer lenses. it is very difficult to track objects with a telephoto lens when you don't have the camera stuck to your head. our built in object tracking circuitry is pretty tied to head and eye position. moving a camera separately from moving your head to track say a bird with a telephoto is quite challenging.
amplexis wrote:
are there better ways of thinking about "support" than copying how we used a tripod or monopod with a DSLR? i really want a detachable wireless viewfinder (maybe clipped to my eyeglasses) that lets me position the camera without me getting down on my belly or hanging over the edge of ...
the tilt-able viewfinder on the 5N is what keeps me from ordering a NEX7.
millsart wrote:
What is the correct way, that someone who "knows what they are doing", uses to shoot a camera without a VF or even articulating screen handheld with a long lens
sebboh wrote: i'm not going to claim i know what i'm doing or that it is a good idea, but here's what i did on the few occasions (3 total i believe) i decide to try shooting my leica R 350mm on my NEX-3. squatted down and rested the tripod mount on my left knee, focused with my left hand, supported the camera with my right hand, and fired the shutter with my right thumb. this worked even without flipping the lcd. if i needed to shoot from a higher angle and had to stand i would flip up the screen and press the camera against my chest. not sure what the best way would be without an articulated screen.
But we all know you know what you're doing so go ahead and claim it.
In my experience (with a 2x crop factor camera body) the knee thing works with lenses of up to about 300 or maybe 350mm. At around 400 or 500mm forget it tho! The chest thing doesn't work at all usually with anything over 200mm. A monopod can be used up to around 300 or so as well. Best of course is a tripod and better still a tripod with a gimbal head like the GH-2 Wimberley.
A sturdy fence is good. A telephone pole can be used by pressing the lens body against it. Large-ish rocks and boulders come in handy! Some stuff can scratch up the camera or lens tho and thus is one of the reasons I carry an 8x10 (aprox) piece of thick shammy with me in the field. Beanbags can work in that way as well - and you can make them yourself for like 25¢ or something just out of small-grain rice or baked sand and an older shammy or something.
