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p.7 #1 · NEX-7 Lens Tests


I did some comparison tests between my NEX 7 and 5N, but flubbed the settings, so that the cams were not set the same. Arrrrgh! I could of course correct for that, but it wouldn't be SOOC, which I would prefer so that no doubts can creep in.
Regarding the WATE, I compared it to ZM 18 on my 5N, so that there need be no Cornerfix, which might always induce a difference. The ZM "looks" generally sharper and contrastier, xhich is not surprising in a Zeiss Vs Leica comparison. The WATE offers more delicate and generally nicer colours, which again is in line with expectations.
Now, regarding the corner issue with NEX 7/NEX 5N/ NEX 5, I agree that magenta cast appears before corner softness/blur.
The WATE has no issues on NEX 7 IMHO. Yes, the corners are a bit softer than the centre wide open, but that is the case with most lenses, and this softness is just that, not any form of blur.
The ZM 18 is as sharp in the corners as in the centre, but displays magenta edges. This is easily fixed in Cornerfix, and shows that the edges are still fully "zeiss-esque".

Where I have matters I don't understand is with ZM 25 and ZM 35 f:2.0. I tried the ZM 25 on my NEX 5N, and found it to display mushy edges, let alone corners, even when stopped down to my usual f:5.6. Thus I didn't bother trying it on my NEX 7, where it could only be worse. Yet Jim Buchanan, whom I trust, shows pics with no issues beyond a Cornerfix....
Similarly, a blogger posted pics with a ZM 35 f:2.0 that were seriously mushy in the corners. I now own this lens, and have tried hard to replicate this issue, and have found none. No corner issues wide openn Frankly that was good news, because even my old 5 was clean in all cases with a 35m lens.

My guess is that, while magenta casts apprear before smear "in most cases", there are type pf shots where magenta casts may not appear at all, though they "ought to" if it is a strict lens-to-cam compatibility issue. Thus, aperture and range of the shot, as well as the colours in the picture seem to play a part. For example, what I sue as a test for magenta is shooting into a blue sky. But I can shoot a wall the next minute and not necessarily see the magenta.
The same is true with the smear. It may not appear at all distances and apertures.

Yes, I know, far from clarifying matters, this throws more variables into doubt...



Mar 10, 2012 at 04:10 AM
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p.7 #2 · NEX-7 Lens Tests


Its been my experience as well with the Contax G 28mm F2.8 that on even on the 5N, the corners were mushier and had a color cast at infinity than at close range.


Mar 10, 2012 at 04:29 AM
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p.7 #3 · NEX-7 Lens Tests


Issues with Contax G 28 on a 5N? That is news to me. And, of couse, not the kind that we'd all like...


Mar 10, 2012 at 04:32 AM
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p.7 #4 · NEX-7 Lens Tests


Yeah, the tricky thing is that all Nex cameras mush up corners to some degree with basically all rangefinder lenses, but now we have three NEX sensor configurations that behave differently in this regard. The GXR makes even the 5N appear to have corner issues. It's tough to sort through all of the anecdotal evidence to get a sense of what's good enough, and, of course, each of us have our own definition of what works and doesn't work.


Mar 10, 2012 at 06:05 AM
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p.7 #5 · NEX-7 Lens Tests


So far, my experience with the Nex-5N or the Ricoh GXR and several RF wides are more or less in line with the former posts.
I found the ZM35/2 to perform equally well on both cameras -corners included. Regarding the ZM25 it's a bit better on the GXR than on the 5N, only in the corners though. In the centre, the 16 vs 12 Mp. sensors seem to compensate the possible advantage of the Ricoh GXR for not having an AA filter.
I think also that the ZM35/2 has a bit a field curvature. A flat target shows sharper corners or centre depending on where you're focusing. In real life photos it won't be noticeable, but maybe it explains somehow the contradictory results of some tests of this lens comparing the NEX-7 vs NEX-5N vs Ricoh GXR.
The ZM25 seems to be completely free of FC. Instead, the CV 15 is terrible on that aspect.
Color drift ( blue-purple with NEX and blue-cyan with Ricoh ) isn't really an issue for most subjects (except maybe for the CV 15/4.5) Luma vigneting is more pronounced on the NEX than on the Ricoh.



Mar 10, 2012 at 08:59 AM
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p.7 #6 · NEX-7 Lens Tests


artur5 wrote:
The ZM25 seems to be completely free of FC. Instead, the CV 15 is terrible on that aspect.


This seems to be my experience as well. I also wonder about these tests where the lens is cranked to infinity and are they really at optimal focus for infinity shots. I know I really reacted negatively when I took that first round of infinity shots with a too thin Kipon M-NEX adapter. The camera almost went back!

Anyway, here is a very demanding infinity shot at f/8, after Cornerfix. Center and Edge crops show pretty good resolution in my opinion:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7056/6969601169_f379f52071_b.jpg
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7040/6823477784_981eea83b2_b.jpg

Edited on Mar 10, 2012 at 11:40 AM · View previous versions



Mar 10, 2012 at 10:51 AM
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p.7 #7 · NEX-7 Lens Tests


Uhhh... Where's the corner crop? That isn't even the far edge of the frame


Mar 10, 2012 at 11:22 AM
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p.7 #8 · NEX-7 Lens Tests


pdmphoto wrote:
Uhhh... Where's the corner crop? That isn't even the far edge of the frame


OK, pardon me, I edited to edge crops, but that floating barrel on the right edge is pretty close to the edge. The scene didn't have any corner frame detail. I'll see what I can come up with for edge detail.



Mar 10, 2012 at 11:43 AM
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p.7 #9 · NEX-7 Lens Tests


JimBuchanan wrote:
OK, pardon me, I edited to edge crops, but that floating barrel on the right edge is pretty close to the edge. The scene didn't have any corner frame detail. I'll see what I can come up with for edge detail.


yeah, you really need to do a diagonal shot to get proper infinity sharpness judgements in the corners.



Mar 10, 2012 at 01:56 PM
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p.7 #10 · NEX-7 Lens Tests


OK, how about this. NEX7/ZM25, at infinity, ISO100, manual shutter/aperture, f/8, cornerfix.
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7190/6970796113_9f97013039_z.jpg
The corner crops from shots like this one of 4:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7051/6970796275_773e0c178a_z.jpg
I did not pay attention to the camera level, so it is hard to judge distortion.
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7040/6970796417_c523fdc126_b.jpg



Mar 10, 2012 at 06:45 PM
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p.7 #11 · NEX-7 Lens Tests


hmm, the top left corner looks better than the rest...


Mar 10, 2012 at 07:17 PM
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p.7 #12 · NEX-7 Lens Tests


A quick-and dirty test of a borrowed ZM 25 confirms what Jim writes, and the opposite of what I expected: performance on NEX 7 is sharp, with mild magenta, easily cured in Cornerfix. Hmmmm, strange...
But that means I don't have to buy the very expensive 24mm Elmar, which also gives a magenta cast, because the ZM 25 is not exactly a weak performer...




Mar 11, 2012 at 03:21 AM
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p.7 #13 · NEX-7 Lens Tests


douglasf13 wrote:
Yeah, the tricky thing is that all Nex cameras mush up corners to some degree with basically all rangefinder lenses, but now we have three NEX sensor configurations that behave differently in this regard. The GXR makes even the 5N appear to have corner issues. It's tough to sort through all of the anecdotal evidence to get a sense of what's good enough, and, of course, each of us have our own definition of what works and doesn't work.


I wonder if having the AA filter removed would help, any imaging chip experts here?



Mar 11, 2012 at 04:13 PM
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p.7 #14 · NEX-7 Lens Tests


Philipe am I missing something here? I cant see any magenta fringes on this shot on my iPad. All I see that makes me think are the different colours on the signs but they may be reflections. Aren't they?

Mark



Mar 11, 2012 at 05:18 PM
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p.7 #15 · NEX-7 Lens Tests


Well, on my screen I can definitely see vertical magenta fringes, nowhere more so than in the top right corner. You should get an iPad 3, methinks


Mar 11, 2012 at 05:50 PM
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p.7 #16 · NEX-7 Lens Tests


Andrew Gough wrote:
I wonder if having the AA filter removed would help, any imaging chip experts here?


Leica M8s and M9s had corner issues until they were corrected via firmware updates. Certain lenses still produce images that can use help from Cornerfix.



Mar 11, 2012 at 11:13 PM
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p.7 #17 · NEX-7 Lens Tests


Andrew Gough wrote:
I wonder if having the AA filter removed would help, any imaging chip experts here?


Yeah, it would definitely help, but no one is completely sure just how much it would help.



Mar 11, 2012 at 11:43 PM
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p.7 #18 · NEX-7 Lens Tests


ken.vs.ryu wrote:
Leica M8s and M9s had corner issues until they were corrected via firmware updates. Certain lenses still produce images that can use help from Cornerfix.


Color and vignetting issues, yes. Detail issues, no.



Mar 11, 2012 at 11:43 PM
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p.7 #19 · NEX-7 Lens Tests


It looks to me like the issues with the NEX-7's sensor extends to e-mount lenses as well.

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Mar 12, 2012 at 01:49 AM
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p.7 #20 · NEX-7 Lens Tests


Philber wrote: Well, on my screen I can definitely see vertical magenta fringes, nowhere more so than in the top right corner. You should get an iPad 3, methinks


Ah that's just the excuse i needed to get an ipad 3



Mar 12, 2012 at 10:46 AM
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