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p.7 #1 · A Digital OM?


The Fn2 button looks interesting; is it actually a button within another button?

Also, if the dials are truly lacking a label on the real thing, I suppose they are customizable ala NEX-7?



Jan 20, 2012 at 03:21 PM
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It would take a lot to impress me with this because for about half the price, the G3 already gives a nice 16meg sensor, compact size, 1.44meg EVF, flip out LCD etc. Of course it looks like a generic mini DSLR style camera, and the OM-D surely has a bit more style, better control etc, but is it doing anything revolutionary for $1100

Thats the big question for my wallet. How's the overall shooting experience going to be different than my EP3 with the VF2 attached or simply using a GH2, G3 etc since its still just a 1.44meg EVF, only its built into the Olympus, which is nice and all, but Panny's done that since day one.

Now if it was an OVF hybrid, or maybe something like a Sony EVF, maybe even larger, then I could take notice, but just a 1.44 meg EVF ?

Weather sealed body ? Guess thats nice, but I'm a rather fair weather photographer.
IBIS ? Good again, though hopefully it works better than the EP3 one which always has dissapointed with soft images at most shutter speed so I turn it off.

Not saying it won't be a good camera as far as m4/3 goes, but just seems like save for any extra dial and button and retro looks its not going to really do anything a G3 couldnt.

GH2 which I used to own had all the control you could want. Had nice EVF, tons of buttons and dials, totally customizable, you name it. Only thing it didn't really have going for it was the retro look. It was a black mini modern DSLR design.

Looking cool aside, whats this going to really do for me that I couldn't get shooting with G3, Gh2, GX1 with accessory EVF etc ?



Jan 20, 2012 at 04:55 PM
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p.7 #3 · A Digital OM?


Looks cool, I am buying Seriously, I prefer the Olympus bodies for their IBIS, but Panasonic Gs for their built-in EVF and 16MP sensor. It seems I am getting exactly what I want.


Jan 20, 2012 at 05:37 PM
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p.7 #4 · A Digital OM?


I know I've bashed them but it's always good to see some attention to detail.


Jan 20, 2012 at 09:08 PM
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p.7 #5 · A Digital OM?


carstenw wrote:
http://g2.img-dpreview.com/CC5EAF98AEF942F6961C5E5A506FBF54.jpg


You know, that blue stuff comes off, right?




Jan 20, 2012 at 11:42 PM
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p.7 #6 · A Digital OM?


The image is from DPR.
http://g2.img-dpreview.com/CC5EAF98AEF942F6961C5E5A506FBF54.jpg



Jan 21, 2012 at 02:08 AM
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p.7 #7 · A Digital OM?


OM-D

... hopefully not "One More Disaster"!

But I'm afraid it will be. Nothing that really appeals to me so far, except for the design. I wouldn't buy it to keep it on a shelf though...



Jan 21, 2012 at 08:31 AM
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p.7 #8 · A Digital OM?


Well, if it does not really appeal you, it'll obviously be a disaster


Jan 21, 2012 at 10:08 AM
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p.7 #9 · A Digital OM?


alexandre wrote:
It's NOT the OM mount, it's the OM... huh... aura, or look-and-feel, you name it.
And this is awesome in my biases opinion.


Reviving the OM name at this stage is just a marketing ploy to try to wring a few more dollars from the Olympus brand legacy, unfortunately. I don't think Olympus has the will or the financial resources to introduce another "pro" camera system.

It's really a shame that Olympus has always had some of the best lens designers in the industry, but handicapped them with lousy marketing and incompetent (and, apparently, crooked) management. It wasn't until the success of cameras like the Canon 5D and 5D Mark II, along with the availability of adapters to mount other lenses, that people started to realize just how good many of the old OM lenses really were.

Using a little 20:20 hindsight, what I would have like to see from Olympus would have been a 4:3 aspect ratio sensor with 24mm x 32mm dimensions, along with an updated OM lens mount. Put something like that in a body the size of an OM-1 with its great viewfinder, and I would buy two of them!



Jan 21, 2012 at 10:20 AM
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p.7 #10 · A Digital OM?


More info leaked:
https://wellsfargoadvisors.mworld.com/m/m.w?lp=GetStory&id=592351481

Olympus to revive OM brand for digital camera this spring

Released : Thursday, January 19, 2012 8:45 AM

TOKYO, Jan. 19 -- (Kyodo), Olympus Corp. plans to revive its once popular OM camera brand for its new digital mirrorless interchangeable lens camera this spring, industry sources said Thursday.

The company is hoping that the new product will come to symbolize its recovery from the recent scandal involving its coverup of investment losses, they said.

Olympus launched the OM-1 single-lens reflex film camera in 1973, which became a hit because of its small size and durability. The company sold OM series products for around 30 years.

The new OM-D model will be offered in the United States, Europe and some Asian countries as the top model of the company's digital mirrorless interchangeable lens camera series, selling for above 100,000 yen in Japan.

The new model resembles the OM-1 film camera and is equipped with high-speed autofocus and image stabilization functionality as well as 16 megapixel resolution.

In December, Olympus held the largest share in Japan's market for digital mirrorless interchangeable lens cameras, which have gained in popularity thanks to their smaller size and lighter weight, according to marketing research firm BCN Inc.

(c) 2012 Kyodo News International, Inc.





Jan 21, 2012 at 11:37 AM
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molson wrote:
Reviving the OM name at this stage is just a marketing ploy to try to wring a few more dollars from the Olympus brand legacy, unfortunately. I don't think Olympus has the will or the financial resources to introduce another "pro" camera system.

From what I've read about the "scandal" it was not the camera division that was a part of that and they still have the resources to continue their work. Yes, Olympus as a company took a big hit, but I don't think it means their impending downfall, especially if they can get another investor which it looks very likely like that will happen. I would love to see Samsung help out because it could improve LCD and sensor quality down the road.
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It's really a shame that Olympus has always had some of the best lens designers in the industry, but handicapped them with lousy marketing and incompetent (and, apparently, crooked) management. It wasn't until the success of cameras like the Canon 5D and 5D Mark II, along with the availability of adapters to mount other lenses, that people started to realize just how good many of the old OM lenses really were.

Using a little 20:20 hindsight, what I would have like to see from Olympus would have been a 4:3 aspect ratio sensor with 24mm x 32mm dimensions, along with an
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molson, I used to think similarly to you; however, I think I now understand better the four thirds strategy. Very soon after digital became mainstream Canon and Nikon dominated the DSLR market, I am not sure what chance Olympus would have had at that point so they had a choice, compete with Canon/Nikon or create something different. They decided to create something different with four thirds and their joint effort with Kodak created the possibility for an "open source" format, that other companies could capitalize on and share lenses and so forth. Their goal originally was "small" DSLR's but not many bought into that idea, while Olympus was working on "small" they were not so much focussing on sensor design while Canon and Nikon were, and as Nikon soon found out, people wanted better quality high ISO IQ out of their camera. If I am not mistaken the high ISO IQ of the Canon 30D beat out anything from Olympus at the time and the 30D was a fairly small body, then the Rebels started capitalizing on the higher ISO IQ as well which was more in direct competition with the likes of the four thirds. Can Olympus make quality lenses - you betcha, I don't think there is any arguing that point, but their poor quality sensors was their downfall. I'm sure sales continued to struggle so what does Olympus do now, instead of focussing on the sensor, they came out with micro four thirds (MFT or m4/3) and then Panasonic entered the foray, I think they all realized that the lenses were "too big" for four thirds and the new MFT mount solved that problem and allowed for much smaller lenses to be optimized for the size of the sensor.

Both Olympus and Panasonic have a phenomenal lineup of lenses for MFT but their sensors have continued to struggle and to me, I think that is the final piece of the puzzle for this system. If Olympus (or Panasonic) can make a breakthrough in sensor design for MFT then I think it can be a game changer in the mirrorless/CSC (compact system camera) market. Heck, think of what would happen if Olympus could get a 16MP sensor in an E-6 body that had clean high ISO up to 6400, that could revive the whole four thirds format as well because their lenses are truly first rate (come on, who wouldn't like a 70-200 f/2 lens in 35mm format!).

So, what's my point. Well, I read a lot of posts that talk about Olympus blowing it with an "OM" style digital body that was in an MFT mount. It seems many would like to see a FF sensor in the OM, but seriously think about that; what FF style lenses has Olympus made of late? Nothing, they have been committed to the four thirds sensor and I honestly don't see that changing, they would have to then spent the additional R&D on a whole new line of lenses. And if you think Olympus is going to make a FF body just so you can attach some old legacy MF lenses on it, I think you're dreaming. One of the biggest sources of revenue for a camera division is selling lenses, and if they make a body and don't sell any lenses, well it just doesn't make financial sense to do so. Will some camera company eventually make an affordable FF mirrorless, I'm certain of it, but I doubt it will be Olympus. Personally, I'd like to see Pentax do this, but we'll have to wait and see.

If the OM-D is released as MFT some will love it (like me) and others will hate it, but isn't that always the case with ANYTHING. Just read any forum on the internet and you will find heated arguments about "this" vs. "that" and what a manufacturer should have done. We are a culture that is never content with what we have, but always wanting more. In many ways it is because of the marketing from these companies, but ultimately we are responsible.



Jan 21, 2012 at 01:28 PM
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wjmeyer wrote:
If the OM-D is released as MFT some will love it (like me) and others will hate it,



Some will like it becuase it just has the "OM" name or will have some visual resemblance to the original OM. Other will hate because its not an "OM" in spirit and will not be what the original OM was and and what it meant.




Jan 21, 2012 at 02:02 PM
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p.7 #13 · A Digital OM?


What about liking it if it is a good camera for what one wants?
As for hating a product, unless it harms people in some way, what's the point?
Some people are just far out, i guess...



Jan 21, 2012 at 02:09 PM
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Some will say it is not FF and the OM was, so it is not an OM. However, to me this makes no more sense than saying that the OM was a film camera, so this should be too, or the OM system was manual wind with optional motor drives, and so on.

Don't forget what the OM originally stood for: high quality in a small package. This was the key, in a time when the competition was still making huge, heavy tanks, and the OM system was small and light. The MFT system fits with this concept very well. Even APS-C still has too large lenses to comprise a really portable system.

In my opinion, an OM-D which has a high resolution built-in EVF, a 16MP sensor as good as or better than the Panasonics, a rugged build, IBIS, and a nice retro-OM design (and look at the shape of the end of the body; the design cues are there), will already be a success and I will almost certainly buy into this system. I can't wait to get the 12/2, 25/1.4, 45/1.8 set I have been thinking about so long! The ultimate portable high-quality prime setup.



Jan 21, 2012 at 02:55 PM
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carstenw wrote:
Some will say it is not FF and the OM was, so it is not an OM. However, to me this makes no more sense than saying that the OM was a film camera, so this should be too, or the OM system was manual wind with optional motor drives, and so on.

Don't forget what the OM originally stood for: high quality in a small package. This was the key, in a time when the competition was still making huge, heavy tanks, and the OM system was small and light. The MFT system fits with this concept very well. Even
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I agree. Such a package could be enticing. For me, the key elements would be a huge apparent view through the finder ala classic OM's and of course a competitive sensor with great ooc color. The really nice thing about M43s is that the lens line is already there.



Jan 21, 2012 at 03:11 PM
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carstenw wrote:
Don't forget what the OM originally stood for: high quality in a small package. This was the key, in a time when the competition was still making huge, heavy tanks, and the OM system was small and light. The MFT system fits with this concept very well. Even APS-C still has too large lenses to comprise a really portable system.


If memory serves me right, The OM cameras and lenses have never been significantly smaller or lighter than the competition, if at all .
Even a Nikon F3 was hardly a 'tank' .

Also, I don't believe MFT has any advantage over APS-C in terms of portability, when we look at cameras without a mirror .

What I really would love to see is a digital camera with a reasonably large senser (FF - 1.5x ), that is no larger than the old manual 35mm film bodies, and features exactly the same controls (what was ever wrong with those ?) .
Plus a few buttons and a conrol wheel on the back to manage the extra stuff.

Keep the OVF and mirror, to allow for proper AF and comfy viewfinder , throw in an articulated display with live view when it's doable, and make extra features and performance available via an additional battery grip .

Camera manufacturers made those huge early AF cameras packed with technology, and never looked back . I wished they would .




Jan 21, 2012 at 03:27 PM
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Tomser wrote:
Also, I don't believe MFT has any advantage over APS-C in terms of portability, when we look at cameras without a mirror .


Cameras? No. Lenses? Absolutely. The micro 4/3 lenses as a whole are smaller than their equivalent APS-C counterparts on something like the NEX. Plus, as the lenses get longer, you need shorter focal lengths for the same framing, so to get ~400mm of reach, you need to grab a 265mm lens (so you'd probably carry a 300mm) on an APS-C mirrorless, while a 200mm will do you on m4/3. Multiply that over the whole system and the size adds up.


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Jan 21, 2012 at 04:12 PM
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Rather than arguing, I will just post numbers and everyone can decide if it is important.

Olympus OM-2: 136.0 x 83.0 x 50.0mm, 520g -> 564.4 cm^3
Nikon FE: 142.0 x 89.5 x 57.5mm, 590g -> 29% larger, 14% heavier
Nikon F3: 148.0 x 96.5 x 69.0, 700g / 745g (HP) -> 74%larger, 35% (43%) heavier
Canon A-1: 141.0 x 92.0 x 48.0mm, 620g -> 10% larger, 19% heavier

That doesn't look like a huge difference, but you feel it clearly in yours hands. However, this is far from the whole story: the Olympus lenses are generally very compact compared to the Nikon F-mount and Canon FD-mount lenses of the time, so by the time you have 3-4 lenses in your bag, and maybe a flash, the difference really starts adding up.

Another way to put the body size into perspective is to compare it to the classical small body, the Leica M6:

Leica M6: 138.0 x 77.0 x 38.0 mm, 585g -> 39% smaller, 12% heavier

So the difference from M6 to OM-1 is about the same as OM-1 to FE. Keep in mind that the Olympus shutter speed ring is around the mount, which skews the thickness somewhat. The camera is actually about the same size as the M6 (I have owned both, and they are remarkably close in size, ignoring the prism peak, and contemplating the mirror box/shutter speed ring effect on thickness).

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Jan 21, 2012 at 04:51 PM
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carstenw wrote:
Some will say it is not FF and the OM was, so it is not an OM. However, to me this makes no more sense than saying that the OM was a film camera, so this should be too, or the OM system was manual wind with optional motor drives, and so on.

Don't forget what the OM originally stood for: high quality in a small package. This was the key, in a time when the competition was still making huge, heavy tanks, and the OM system was small and light.


+1

much as i would like it to be FF i don't think 35mm is the defining characteristic of the OM series. it was the combo of very small and high quality in both cameras and lenses. olympus is fully committed to 4/3 and doesn't have the resources to come out with a new mount and full line of lenses for FF anyway. hopefully the new camera really will be small and high quality with a wonderfully big new evf (doubtful). for myself, i do very much miss oly's IBIS, but i don't miss their sensors and the crop factor on my lenses, so i probably won't get one no matter what. i'll be happy to recommend it to other people who like autofocus if they follow through with the concept well though.



Jan 21, 2012 at 04:52 PM
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p.7 #20 · A Digital OM?


I don't see why a new big EVF is doubtful. Even just bolting the VF-2 on top would be nice, and I am sure they can improve.


Jan 21, 2012 at 04:56 PM
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