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twistedlim
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p.6 #1 · 35 L vs. 35 2.0


Agreed Dan...100%. I have the 1.4 solely because it is twice as fast at the focal length I seem to use most often. I still have the 2.0 for the portability you mentioned. No different than comparing the 24*70 to the 24-105. Different animals to pull different loads.
I have always been impressed with the little 35 but it does not do to well at 1.4

The big difference for my use is that the 2.0 is great to have in your bag while the L spends most of its time on my camera.



Jan 13, 2012 at 12:43 PM
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p.6 #2 · 35 L vs. 35 2.0


twistedlim wrote:
Agreed Dan...100%. I have the 1.4 solely because it is twice as fast at the focal length I seem to use most often. I still have the 2.0 for the portability you mentioned. No different than comparing the 24*70 to the 24-105. Different animals to pull different loads.
I have always been impressed with the little 35 but it does not do to well at 1.4

The big difference for my use is that the 2.0 is great to have in your bag while the L spends most of its time on my camera.


You should give the Voigtlander Ultron 40mm f/2.0 SL-II a try then



Jan 13, 2012 at 12:47 PM
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p.6 #3 · 35 L vs. 35 2.0


Lars Johnsson wrote:
You should give the Voigtlander Ultron 40mm f/2.0 SL-II a try then



Mmmm...that is giving me ideas I will have to play around a bit. I dont rememeber how fast I can manually focus.



Jan 13, 2012 at 01:57 PM
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p.6 #4 · 35 L vs. 35 2.0


twistedlim wrote:
Mmmm...that is giving me ideas I will have to play around a bit. I dont rememeber how fast I can manually focus.


Focusing is really easy since it has a working AF confirmation and you turn the same way as FD lenses of yesteryear or as with alternative lenses, such as Zeiss, Contax or Leica-R lenses, if you started out that way before or if you are familiar with, respectively. You cannot beat the portability of a pancake lens, which I believe the 40mm Ultron would qualify for. I mentioned the design of the lenshood before and the ironic thing is the thickness of the lens cap is thicker than the lenshood itself of this lens.



Jan 13, 2012 at 03:21 PM
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p.6 #5 · 35 L vs. 35 2.0


Hmm, another "non-L vs L" thread most canon prime are goody good just pick one that fits your style.

Edited on Jan 13, 2012 at 03:53 PM · View previous versions



Jan 13, 2012 at 03:39 PM
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p.6 #6 · 35 L vs. 35 2.0


Not completely the same IMO. If you look at the close up shots, the 35L is clearly better ... it has more bite or snap. Better contrast or micro-contrast ... whatever. I don't have either lens.

Tom K. wrote:
"Normal" people who look at photos don't do forensic evaluations and analysis of every inch and aspect of the image.

Looking at these examples side by side tells the tale. The pics from the f.1.4 vs the f/2 look the same.

With lower noise in extremely high ISO improving with every new camera release.......having f/1.4 lenses won't be all that important........unless you want to take pictures of black bats at midnight.




Jan 13, 2012 at 03:52 PM
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p.6 #7 · 35 L vs. 35 2.0


The major point here is that the OP used a flawed test method, in which case sharpness became the focus of it.

In fact, all lenses performs pretty well in the center, at F/8. But that does not mean that we all want a lens which has F/4 as its biggest aperture.

It's another flaw that sharpness bacome the only thing important to a lens. In fact, sharpness is much more important in telephoto lenses since they are playing with tougher stuff, e.g, a long passage filled with dusty air could deteriate IQ very badly. Wide angel lenses worries much less on this kind of issues.

The most important difference between a 35mm F/2 an a 35L, are the following:
A, 1.4 VS 2.0. That's ISO 3200 VS 1600. It is very important in low light (while not important in this test)
B, Color saturation, micro contrast, details. In general, L lenses has a much more saturated color (which allows much bigger working space in post processing) than non-Ls. This is the prominent difference between an L prime and a non-L prime, in general. All non-L primes show a dry-out, flat color, compared to their L counterparts, no matter which one you are talking about. 35 F/2, check, 50 1.4, check, 85 1.8, check. However, this is also not shown in the test. Backlit with harsh light, and very pale scenario in itself doesn't show the capability of 35L at all -- however, if you tak a picture with a girl in red, you'll soon see the difference.
Yes, color saturation is no longer that important nowadays. However, it does give a lot more space to manipulate. As another example, 17-40L is almost a perfect lens. It just lacks of a little color. The color tendering in the 16-35L's are slightly smoother.
You only get this idea after you've used both of them for a long time, and there are differences in the end, and the little convinence in every photo you take piles up over time.
C. Focus speed. It's very obvious. So very obvious. 35 F/2 is fast, but it's just not compared to 35L
D, Build quality, well that's quite ok actually..35 F/2 is well built. Just not as well as 35 1.4. It's also lighter, so someone may even prefer the 35 F/2.

In case that we involve the price tag, let me tell you two things:

1. One would always pay a lot more just for the last bit of the advantage of it. It should be in a log scale: 100% more effective, 10 times the price.50% more effective, 3 times the price. etc.
2. the pric of a used 35L kept almost constant in the last 3 or 4 years. It's only recently that so many deals on the 35L poped out that the price dropped a bit. Canon L lenses are just like a good investment, you buy it new today, you sell it used 10 years later, you get everything back, plus the interest rate, plus the inflation rate. Non L lenses may not be as lucky. The luckier and lower volumes ones got their value reserved; the mass produced ones drop drastically in value. It's wiser to buy Ls than non-Ls even on the moneytary side of the story.



Jan 13, 2012 at 04:28 PM
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p.6 #8 · 35 L vs. 35 2.0


twistedlim wrote:
I have always been impressed with the little 35 but it does not do to well at 1.4


Boy, hard to argue with that! ;-)



Jan 13, 2012 at 07:16 PM
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herbertgzb wrote:
Canon L lenses are just like a good investment, you buy it new today, you sell it used 10 years later, you get everything back, plus the interest rate, plus the inflation rate. Non L lenses may not be as lucky. The luckier and lower volumes ones got their value reserved; the mass produced ones drop drastically in value. It's wiser to buy Ls than non-Ls even on the moneytary side of the story.


Please tell me where I can sell all my 10 year old used L lenses, and get 25-30% more for them than I payed when I bought them new



Jan 13, 2012 at 07:22 PM
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herbertgzb wrote:
1. One would always pay a lot more just for the last bit of the advantage of it. It should be in a log scale: 100% more effective, 10 times the price.50% more effective, 3 times the price. etc.
2. the pric of a used 35L kept almost constant in the last 3 or 4 years. It's only recently that so many deals on the 35L poped out that the price dropped a bit. Canon L lenses are just like a good investment, you buy it new today, you sell it used 10 years later, you get everything back, plus the
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About 1: Maybe and maybe not. If the "difference" makes a visible difference in my photographs, I'll pay more for a lens. (I own the 135mm f/2 and the 24mm f/1.4 for example.) But if the purported difference doesn't make a difference, I'm not going to pay a penny more. And don't forget that in terms of some difference, the smaller lens might have some advantages for some photographers - e.g. smaller size and weight. Oh, and much lower cost.

About 2: The value of any of these lenses in an investment sense seems like a pretty unimportant thing to me. Frankly, if you are into "investments," in most cases you would be better off putting the money under your mattress or into a low interest savings account at a bank. Most lenses decline in value (and even more so in inflation adjusted value), and very, very few actually hold their value, much less become more valuable. (If the selling price remains "constant" - perhaps the best you could hope for - you have a very poor investment. Investments are supposed to increase in value...)

But that is also pretty far off the track, I think. I would never select a lens for is (imagined or hoped for) investment value. I select lenses because I will use them to make photographs. :-)

Dan



Jan 13, 2012 at 07:23 PM
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p.6 #11 · 35 L vs. 35 2.0


Lars Johnsson wrote:
I don't buy fast lenses because I like shoot in the dark. The main reason for me is being able to blur the background. And also the bokeh. So lower noise in high ISO doesn't help


+=1. The ability to of a faster lens to shoot in lower light is becoming less important. The importance of f1.4 is its superb ability to isolate the subject. This to me is it's major selling point, though I like the many other qualities it has.



Jan 13, 2012 at 07:56 PM
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p.6 #12 · 35 L vs. 35 2.0


Another who's who




First one
second one

Which one is 35L and which one is 35 F2 ?



Feb 07, 2012 at 05:48 AM
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p.6 #13 · 35 L vs. 35 2.0


Aside from the fact that these lenses share the same focal length, they're not very similar at all. They have totally different optical formulas (look at the block diagrams) and both render differently. That's not to say that they'll look drastically different all the time, it will depend on the scene and the composition of course.

Years ago when I purchased my 5D I gave the 35/2.0 a shot, and later the 35L. IMO the rendering from the L has a better presence, giving sometimes images that have some 3D feel to them. I'm not talking about simple subject isolation at wide aperture (which of course the L does better also, especially on crop where f1.4 is more manageable), but at other apertures where enough of the subject is in focus the 35/2 sometimes looks more flat.

Even so, I find myself wanting a lens that can improve on that feeling even more, which the Zeiss 35/1.4 seems to do well (as does the Zeiss 35/2.0).


Looking at a few web samples and figuring they look 'close enough' to just grab the less expensive lens at the same focal length isn't the best way to make an informed decision. Give yourself enough time to use both lenses before deciding. There's much more to a lens than how sharp it is.



Feb 07, 2012 at 12:09 PM
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p.6 #14 · 35 L vs. 35 2.0


mihaii wrote:
Another who's who


First one
second one

Which one is 35L and which one is 35 F2 ?


I would guess the first is the 35 f/2 and the second is the 35 f/1.4. I base this on the shape of the out of focus highlights. The 35 f/2 has the brighter outer ring as compared to the 35 f/1.4 (caused by spherical aberration, I believe).



Feb 07, 2012 at 01:29 PM
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p.6 #15 · 35 L vs. 35 2.0


I can not tell the difference as they are too different shots: backrounds are different, subjet light is different...
For instance b.jpg has a lot of CA (green) in the highlight in the left but I can not compare this on a since this portion is not in the pic!
However, assuming both were shot with the same aperture/condition (which they are not), b.jpg background is "blurrier" than a.jpg => b = 35L...



Feb 07, 2012 at 03:09 PM
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p.6 #16 · 35 L vs. 35 2.0


How about now?

https://mihaii.zapto.org/tests/a.jpg
https://mihaii.zapto.org/tests/b.jpg
https://mihaii.zapto.org/tests/c.jpg
https://mihaii.zapto.org/tests/d.jpg



Feb 08, 2012 at 05:26 AM
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p.6 #17 · 35 L vs. 35 2.0


Well, in photo 3a he started to sort of kind of smile. I guess that makes the 2.0 the better lens.


Feb 08, 2012 at 06:05 AM
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p.6 #18 · 35 L vs. 35 2.0



Sorry, i typed the links wrong

first
second
third
fourth



Feb 08, 2012 at 09:18 AM
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