michael49 wrote:
If the Pro-1 is not legacy glass friendly that would be a real shame and I think it would be a marketing mistake: many that would consider the Pro-1 would instead go with a NEX because of this very issue.
How could it not be? I guess a mechanical adapter for "dumb" lenses is very easy to make (and it's very unlikely that the flange distance is going to be prohibitive). Of course some people have speculated that Fuji might not allow for the shutter to activate unless there's a brand lens attached, but... I guess that sooner or later a firmware hack might solve this. That, or Sigma coming up with lenses of their own, or the great Conurus playing a hand in this... In any case, has any of the manufacturers ever impose such restrictions?
JonasY wrote:
Other than that this is the most exciting cameras for years...
Why? Do you guys really want to start another system, with new lenses etc?
If they are ~$600, they will probably be at the levels of Pentax Limited glass,
good, but not exceptional.
If the sensor is great and I can easily mount my lenses on it, I might be
interested. If I can't mount MF lenses, I have zero interest in this camera.
NEX is good enough for me.
michael49 wrote:
If the Pro-1 is not legacy glass friendly that would be a real shame and I think it would be a marketing mistake: many that would consider the Pro-1 would instead go with a NEX because of this very issue.
I am not so sure. Since this is a crop sensor anyway, I might tend to get the Fuji lens if it works out OK. I was even toying with the idea of getting a m43 with IS and the Pana 14 if it is a decent performer and skip the wide part of my NEX/ALT lineup. There are not that many wide rangefinder lenses that work without hassle on the NEX.
Well, even if it's physically possible to mount alt glass, I'd guess we're still stuck with a mediocre EVF and no focus peaking. That makes the NEX-7 a better alt companion at least for non-wide angle lenses.
JonasY wrote:
Well, even if it's physically possible to mount alt glass, I'd guess we're still stuck with a mediocre EVF and no focus peaking. That makes the NEX-7 a better alt companion at least for non-wide angle lenses.
Do we know yet if the EVF is not improved over the X100 - it was referred to as second gen. somewhere - and we don't know about peaking either.
Tariq Gibran wrote:
Do we know yet if the EVF is not improved over the X100 - it was referred to as second gen. somewhere - and we don't know about peaking either.
Second Gen was definitely the wording used in the French publication. Hopefully the EVF is close to Sony's offering. I doubt it'll be OLED though but will be pleasantly surprised if it is.
Well Sony is selling the EVF they developed to other parties so good chance it might have it.
Its interesting but without confirmation on the following, not sure I'm cancelling my NEX-7 Order yet:
1. Compatibility with adapting rangefinder lenses
2. How many real actual megapixels are the files
3. If the manual focus is similar to the X100 was/is it's a non starter
4. How good is the AF?
The hybrid viewfinder IMO is a real advantage for street shooting. I can't wait to see it.
Sony better announce what their NEX prime line up will be for this year.
Sam N wrote:
This sounds great as long as they can fix the AF speed and interface problems from the X100.
Assuming the sensor is based on the D7000/Nex5N one, it will be a hit.
The price for the Camera + 35/1.4 comes out to something like $1400 after converting to USD and subtracting about 17% tax (though I'm not sure if that's figured in to begin with).
Why would it be based on the Sony sensor? Didn't fuji make their own for the x100? Wouldn't this be an evolution of that?
The back focal length is 0.3mm shorter than Sony's so I doubt we'll ever see E Mount lenses on this puppy.
But maybe adapted M mount, and various SLR mounts, if Fujifilm decides to support adapted manual focus lenses with focus peaking and other assists. If not, chances are I won't be interested in it, no matter how sexy it may look.
michael49 wrote:
If the Pro-1 is not legacy glass friendly that would be a real shame and I think it would be a marketing mistake: many that would consider the Pro-1 would instead go with a NEX because of this very issue.
One would think that they'd look at Sony's experience with the NEX system and the very positive response they've received from 'alt' users. I mean, this camera is so much more focused at alt users than the NEX-7. For them to cripple the camera's functionality with adapted lenses would be illogical, IMO. But that's OK, there's still the GXR and the upcoming 16MP sensor. And at some point Ricoh will decide that the GXR needs a refresh...
A cool aspect about all these cameras is that it's not implausible to build an alt lens kit comprised of all these cameras. A NEX-7 for when you want X, a Fuji X-Pro-1 when you need Y and a GXR & M module when you need Z. The common denominator would be the lenses, cherry picked for various strengths from new and vintage systems... At least until that one perfect system arrives, which of course, never will...
For me the NEX-7 was also on my wishlist, but considering its paucity of lens choices, and the very high price of its only quality lens (the Zeiss), I'm switching to the Fuji
rscheffler wrote:
One would think that they'd look at Sony's experience with the NEX system and the very positive response they've received from 'alt' users. I mean, this camera is so much more focused at alt users than the NEX-7...
How so? The OVF is likely irrelevant to manual lens users, and I'm doubting that the EVF will be as good as the NEX-7's. We'll see how the sensor handles symmetrical wide angles, as that would be the kicker.
I think this new Fuji seems kinda autofocus or bust.
nycandre wrote:
For me the NEX-7 was also on my wishlist, but considering its paucity of lens choices, and the very high price of its only quality lens (the Zeiss), I'm switching to the Fuji
rscheffler wrote:
One would think that they'd look at Sony's experience with the NEX system and the very positive response they've received from 'alt' users. I mean, this camera is so much more focused at alt users than the NEX-7. For them to cripple the camera's functionality with adapted lenses would be illogical, IMO. But that's OK, there's still the GXR and the upcoming 16MP sensor. And at some point Ricoh will decide that the GXR needs a refresh.....
Agreed, for Fuji to not make this camera MF/legacy glass friendly would be a huge mistake in my opinion. They would loose many potential customers to Sony and m4/3.
In terms of whether this camera will be more alt friendly than the NEX-7 remains to be seen though; a big part of that will obviously be the EVF - Sony has really set the standard with focus peaking, It will be interesting to see what Fuji does in this regard.
I do hand it to Fuji with coming up with what looks like a really nice set of native primes ready to go with the release of the camera (I think they learned a lesson from Sony's failure in this regard). Again, I am surprised that they didn't release a 35mm equivalent however.
And, at least for me, the Pro-1 is simply such a cool looking camera, that can't be overlooked either.
rscheffler wrote:
...A cool aspect about all these cameras is that it's not implausible to build an alt lens kit comprised of all these cameras. A NEX-7 for when you want X, a Fuji X-Pro-1 when you need Y and a GXR & M module when you need Z. The common denominator would be the lenses, cherry picked for various strengths from new and vintage systems... At least until that one perfect system arrives, which of course, never will...
Exactly. Now that I'm using both my 5d and NEX 5N with MF glass I'm thinking much more about lens/camera combinations, this would be even more the case with a fully mirrorless system.
michael49 wrote:
Agreed, for Fuji to not make this camera MF/legacy glass friendly would be a huge mistake in my opinion. They would loose many potential customers to Sony and m4/3.
A big mistake from your perspective, but maybe just what they intend. Fuji has already a long history in a system that only take lenses that are not their own: S2pro, S3pro and S5pro DSLR line was built upon Nikon bodies with Nikon F mount, so Fuji could not possibly stay competitive. They only sold cameras, not one single lens.
So money is made with selling all parts of a system, not only camera bodies. If they are clever, they announce at least plans for the next 3 or 4 lenses after the initial 3 ones, and if the sales numbers on the system are promising, they may actually release them.
If they have made a lens mount that easily accepts adapters of all kind, they will possibly loose 50-70% o their lens sales.
A big mistake from your perspective, but maybe just what they intend. Fuji has already a long history in a system that only take lenses that are not their own: S2pro, S3pro and S5pro DSLR line was built upon Nikon bodies with Nikon F mount, so Fuji could not possibly stay competitive. They only sold cameras, not one single lens.
So money is made with selling all parts of a system, not only camera bodies. If they are clever, they announce at least plans for the next 3 or 4 lenses after the initial 3 ones, and if the sales numbers on the system are promising, they may actually release them.
If they have made a lens mount that easily accepts adapters of all kind, they will possibly loose 50-70% o their lens sales.
I still think they would potentially lose more in sales making the camera not MF glass friendly than they would gain in selling lenses for a new "system" - just what we need, a whole new system.
michael49 wrote:
I still think they would potentially lose more in sales making the camera not MF glass friendly than they would gain in selling lenses for a new "system" - just what we need, a whole new system.
More system choices, options and competition in the marketplace are bad things?
In any case, has any of the manufacturers ever impose such restrictions?
