douglasf13 wrote:
I'd say that's very likely. It'll probably be inline with the GXR with M lenses, which is a bit better in the corners than the 5N and a ton better than the 7, from what I've seen.
Michael posted this comparison image between the GXR and 5N I think in the 'very best wide angles for Nex' thread, which I find quite revealing for how much better the GXR can be with certain rangefinder lenses than even the 5N. On it's own the 5N image would probably be considered acceptable, but shows just how much better it could actually be.
There are certainly various factors at play concerning image quality, but it seems that eliminating the AA filter is the biggest for getting the best possible RF lens performance.
Did you ever hear back from that place about removing the AA from the NEX-7?
kwalsh wrote:
Its good, but not that near the top. The K-5 beats by a full stop in shadow noise, the D7000 about the same.
Mid-tone noise yeah, all the APS-C cameras are just about the same - it's photon shot noise after all. But for read noise (high ISO shadows) the 7D is only "good" these days. Undoubtedly it is "good enough".
Ken
I haven't downloaded K-5 RAW images, but D7000 is not 1 stop better in shadows from my testing based on RWW images of identical scene at ISO 3200/6400. I used ACR 6.6 fro my testing. There is almost nothing in it. D7000 is a bit better at pixel level which is expected as it's about 20% lower pixel density. Equalised they are a wash. I didn't try and do heroic things like push the shadows 4EV. maybe the D7000 would hold up better if I tried that, but's that's not something I ever do in real life.
theophilus wrote:
I'm not saying he's lying, he just brains dumps a bunch of unedited garbage with typos and run-ons. If you actually read what he wrote there is no info there. He is just capitalizing on a popular camera and posting basically nothing in order to get hits.
He stated he received an email from some who had used it a while.
FlyPenFly wrote:
Interesting report from the Huffster:
I suspect that is the other way around. Metal on the outside, plastic on the inside. Likely the NEX metal lenses are made the exact same - and it's not necessarily a bad thing if true (likely given the weight).
rscheffler wrote:
Michael posted this comparison image between the GXR and 5N I think in the 'very best wide angles for Nex' thread, which I find quite revealing for how much better the GXR can be with certain rangefinder lenses than even the 5N. On it's own the 5N image would probably be considered acceptable, but shows just how much better it could actually be.
There are certainly various factors at play concerning image quality, but it seems that eliminating the AA filter is the biggest for getting the best possible RF lens performance.
Did you ever hear back from that place about removing the AA from the NEX-7?...Show more →
The problem is that you can't compare images from a camera with and without AA filters with the same sharpening settings. Heck, as Joakim joked a bit about in this thread, link, adding some noise can help the AA-less camera, too. I had Sam send me RAWs from the GXR and 5N with the same scene and CV 15/4.5, and, once sharpening was optimized for each, the advantage of the GXR at the edges was definitely there, but it wasn't mind blowing. Incidentally, the difference that I've seen between various tests between the 5N and 7 with some M lenses is quite a bit more noticeable. The 5N seems much closer to the GXR than the NEX-7.
rscheffler wrote:
Like he wrote, what can you expect nowadays for $500-600 if the lens is to support auto aperture and AF? One could kind of see this too by looking very closely at the Fuji product photos... just like the X100 when it only existed as photos... the impression of old metal camera construction with the reality being quite different...
Um, what about the canon and nikon 85mm 1.8 lenses? The Sigma 50mm 1.4? $500-600 can buy rather a lot of lens build these days...
bluetsunami wrote:
The stuttering before the AF confirms (or is he actually taking photos and not just focusing?) is a bit disconcerting.
On the x100 the AF was like a fast stuttering noise also before it locked in, when I tried it (and gave it back after 2 days).
I hated it, reminded me of a low grade compact camera. Any DSLR I ever used was more satisfying in AF performance.
If the xpro1 is the same, I will most likely not get that camera, it is a very amateurish performance in terms of AF. A 1,7k camera (with lens) needs to be better.
None of those are in the same league of build quality/feel as an old school all metal lens, and I have the EF85 and 70-200 f/4 IS and some Canon L series with metal barrels. It doesn't mean modern lenses that use a fair amount of plastic components are worse, or bad. It's just a different feel. the XP1 emulates the old school look of a rangefinder, but it won't duplicate the solid and precise feel of one. For some people that seems to be important, though it's not going to affect sheer image quality, unless Fuji skimped out, which I doubt.
douglasf13 wrote:
The problem is that you can't compare images from a camera with and without AA filters with the same sharpening settings. Heck, as Joakim joked a bit about in this thread, link, adding some noise can help the AA-less camera, too. I had Sam send me RAWs from the GXR and 5N with the same scene and CV 15/4.5, and, once sharpening was optimized for each, the advantage of the GXR at the edges was definitely there, but it wasn't mind blowing. Incidentally, the difference that I've seen between various tests between the 5N and 7 with some M lenses is quite a bit more noticeable. The 5N seems much closer to the GXR than the NEX-7. ...Show more →
I don't disagree with you concerning Sam's photos and the way in which he sharpened them. Also the CV15 is an excellent performer on the NEX-5N, so I'd be surprised to see much more from it on the GXR. That said, I think Michael's comparison crops that I linked are well done and reveal that, as we know, there can be a lot of variability in the images produced by one lens on different mirrorless cameras. It's just that so far the GXR seems to be the most 'transparent' in its influence on image quality.
