edwardkaraa wrote:
I think some corrections are inevitable. However, I personally would want to know what exactly is being corrected, and also would expect to have the possibility of turning off the corrections completely, or the choice to apply them selectively in the raw converter.
Well, it seems that the camera will do some sort of corrections. See the following presentation slide. It suggests that lens MTF information and aberration information will/can be transmitted through the lens mount. This further implies that such information will be stored in the lens. It remains to be seen it the correction can be turned off, or if they will be available to the user in the RAW conversion software. http://4.s.img-dpreview.com/files/news/9685207657/P1020587.JPG
Tariq Gibran wrote:
There is none on the x100 and the lens design is similar with a very large rear element. Is it in some spec somewhere that I missed on the XP1?
Are we for certain that there aren't corrections on the X100? It would be easy to do without indicating it to the user, since it is fixed lens.
edit* Probably not, I'd guess, because uncorrected X100 files show distortion.
1- It would be awesome if the corrections where based on that specific(ie serial number) lens based on how the camera compares to the 'standard' camera specs.
2- Fuji hints that there are 'other' camers in this line that will come out? How about a vertical oriented sensor? A B&W only sensor with great dynamic range and ISO capability? An actual Rangefinder version? Could be interesting, could be nothing.
If the price is indeed 1300 Euro for the body + 35, and if there are no horrendous glitches or useless AF issues, then I think this will be my next camera. I like the size, and I really like the look of the images. I will keep my Nikon system for higher res stuff, and eventually probably upgrade to a D4 or D3x, but there is something about the sample files from the XP1 which reminds me of the Kodak SLR/n. They have lovely colour, and a beautiful look, and even though the sharpness at the pixel level doesn't look as sharp as some cameras, it has this special look which I am willing to bet will end up printing very nicely up to quite large sizes. I think I will download one or two of these samples and print them at various sizes, to see what I get.
anselwannab wrote:
2- Fuji hints that there are 'other' camers in this line that will come out? How about a vertical oriented sensor? A B&W only sensor with great dynamic range and ISO capability? An actual Rangefinder version? Could be interesting, could be nothing.
I would bet that they'll make smaller, LCD only bodies to use with these new lenses.
douglasf13 wrote:
I would bet that they'll make smaller, LCD only bodies to use with these new lenses.
hopefully! also, hopefully such a theoretical camera would have an accessory port for future higher res evfs. size and poor manual focus are the only things i don't like about the x-p1.
sebboh wrote:
that is an awesome looking lens road map!
the new 18mm sample looks very good to me, obviously it's a jpeg not optimized for maximal per pixel sharpness just as all the other samples. none of the other lenses look any sharper in the center of the frame which indicates to me the jpeg conversion is emphasizing smooth transitions over absolute sharpness. the corners on that new shot look very good compared to the center. better than either of the sony wides including the zeiss i think, but who knows what corrections have been done. i do wish these were manual focus lenses and m-mount. ...Show more →
Looks good, but I can't understand a 72-200 for APS-C (is the 72 a typo from Fuji?). Why not make it a perfect 3x 45-135 f/2.8 IS which is a FF equivalent of nearly 67.5-202.5. And the shorter FL range makes an f/2.8 version more viable.
Also why they think 18mm is wide? Would have preferred 16mm on a 1.5x crop. Not that's it's a big deal.
Again I wonder what Sony thinks when it sees this great line-up and looks at the NEX-7.
How on earth could a preorder be successful for anyone else than the ones receiving your cash and buying mojitos for all on some nice paradise island far, far away?
I preordered through that site - they seem to be legitimate.
You don't pay anything up front. They will not charge you until the item is shipped, they will confirm the purchase with you prior to shipping, and there is no cancellation fee. You're basically just putting in your name for a queue.
bluetsunami wrote:
I wonder what the point of MTF information would be as information transferred through the mount? Lens variance or something?
Strictly a guess, but perhaps selective image enhancement dependent on aperture value used for a given image? Maybe something like selective sharpening intensity, localized contrast enhancement...
If you look at the rudimentary MTFs provided for each lens, I wouldn't say they're outstanding. but we also don't know if the values are wide open (possibly) or stopped down a bit...
Looks like the above roadmap is not the whole story - the roadmap shows only 6 lenses whereas fuji is claiming there will be 9 new lenses in next 2 years, also they are saying that the maximum apertures are not yet finalized:
"Fujifilm has said the leaked lens roadmap for the X-mount used in its X-Pro1 is close but not finalized. Fujifilm's Kayce Baker, speaking to dpreview at the CES show in Las Vegas, said the leaked roadmap was 'a close estimate' of its plans but that some decisions, such as how fast the lenses maximum apertures will be, have not yet been made. The official line remains that there will be nine lenses in the next two years. Meanwhile, in an interview with Amateur Photographer magazine, Fujifilm Digital Imaging director Adrian Clarke has said the X-Pro1 will be part of a range of x-mount cameras"
Lotusm50 wrote:
Well, it seems that the camera will do some sort of corrections. See the following presentation slide. It suggests that lens MTF information and aberration information will/can be transmitted through the lens mount. This further implies that such information will be stored in the lens. It remains to be seen it the correction can be turned off, or if they will be available to the user in the RAW conversion software. http://4.s.img-dpreview.com/files/news/9685207657/P1020587.jpg
Perhaps compact zoom lenses as well as ultra wides would benefit the most from such corrections.
douglasf13 wrote:
Are we for certain that there aren't corrections on the X100? It would be easy to do without indicating it to the user, since it is fixed lens.
edit* Probably not, I'd guess, because uncorrected X100 files show distortion.
Yes, plus the fact that there are a lot of x100 compatible third party raw developers such as RPP/ Raw Developer which don't support any sort of lens corrections within the software. I really hope the XP1 lenses do not rely too much on software correction as that also would prove a stumbling block to robust raw support from some of the smaller raw converters and/ or extra PP correction.
philber wrote:
There is no reason why this Fuji camera should cost more than a NEX 7, it should actually cost less, as its spec is a bit less. That could be pride on Fuji's part, thanks to the resounding success of the X-100's launch, or it could be the price on pays for being a specialist player aiming for a niche segment, rather than a heavyweight aiming for a mainstream segment...
Be it what it may, this price has somewhat dampened my enthusiasm...
R&d. New sensor design can't be cheap. Lower yield for now. I am not surprised it costs more. There's more tech inside it.
As to focusing this is a bigger deal but...I don't mind x100 like af if mf is actually good (it's crap on the x100)
h00ligan wrote:
R&d. New sensor design can't be cheap. Lower yield for now. I am not surprised it costs more. There's more tech inside it.
As to focusing this is a bigger deal but...I don't mind x100 like af if mf is actually good (it's crap on the x100)
Just the cost of the heads up, hybrid multi view optical viewfinder alone could account for a large chunk of the cost difference. It's the only one of it's kind. The R&D on that alone must have been significant, shared with the X100. As mentioned by others, if you don't care about an optical finder and you don't believe the XP1 will deliver superior IQ, the NEX-7 would be the obvious choice.
rscheffler wrote:
What we need is plenoptic/light-field implementation coupled with zone focusing to allow focus tweaks in post! Maybe another 10 years away?
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Here's what I don't get: there's an OVF and a EVF right? Why can you not project a focusing aid from the EVF into the OVF so it works like a patch?
The 5n with EVF really is excellent for focusing, and the fuji is huge for a camera with no mirror or RF.
But what we have here is the begining of a serious un-leica war Which is just what we want--since we know where that has to lead
Today it's GXR vs Nex vs This thing. New GXR mod on the horizon. Sony "Hybrid FF mount" coming.
My current plan: Cancel n7; enjoy 5n for a year and then order up the latest 2KUSD FF EVIL. Two years at the outside, we will have it--I PREDICT HERE AND NOW!!
OK maybe 2.2K
I love this Fuji because it's another step in the right direction.
Charlie, you're reading my mind about my camera situation. I was also wondering the same thing about an EVF projected rangefinder patch. It seems possible to me.
uhoh7 wrote:
But what we have here is the begining of a serious un-leica war Which is just what we want--since we know where that has to lead My current plan: Cancel n7; enjoy 5n for a year and then order up the latest 2KUSD FF EVIL. Two years at the outside, we will have it--I PREDICT HERE AND NOW!!
I don't know where you think the un-leica war leads although along the way I bet M lenses stay expensive.
Your current plan sounds similar to mine; enjoy the GXR and see what happens over the next year or two. I really do hope we see a reasonable FF electronic finder camera, no anti-alias filter, such that we can all enjoy the full perspective our rangefinder glass is capable of drawing.
You predicted the timeline. Who will be the vendor?
Actually I don't care, as I know I have to wait regardless! In the meantime, there are pictures to be taken and photographs to be made.
Maybe another 10 years away?