douglasf13 wrote:
I'm currently still using the 5N, because the other cameras haven't been compelling enough to switch away from such a cheap little camera, and the Sony EVF is outstanding
I'm really close to cancelling my order for the NEX-7 since it will be forever before Amazon ever gets one to me, and just ordering a NEX-5N instead and being happy with the savings. No one, however seems to have the add-on EVF in stock.
douglasf13 wrote:
Sure, see my above post. It's a matter of giving up one thing for another, and the GXR is another great choice, too. I could probably eek out a little more resolution with my CV 15, ZM 35/2 and ZM 50/1.5 on the Fuji, but I'm not sure it's worth more size, cost and an inferior EVF compared to my 5N. I do think the Fuji is compelling with the native lenses, though.
Douglas, I thought you shot at waist level using the flip out LCD of the NEX. Are you now mostly using the EVF with the camera at eye level?
I don't know their exact statement re: wedding shooters, but if they say that's a market they want, I'm guessing they mean reportage-style weddings (which seems to be a bigger-than-ever chunk of that market).
Tariq Gibran wrote:
No, it's probably the Contax N Digital!
I could possibly believe the noise part but not the resolution graph on the bottom. Guess we will be waiting for a while to find out.
Doh! Of course, how could I forget that one!?
It's possible the Fuji benefits from having four green pixels as neighbours as a 'mega' pixel for low light situations that would also retain more per pixel information? IIRC green is the most responsive.
Tariq Gibran wrote:
Douglas, I thought you shot at waist level using the flip out LCD of the NEX. Are you now mostly using the EVF with the camera at eye level?
Funny you should mention that. I've been using the EVF tilted mostly, so kind of like a 45 degree prism, and I've been using the tilt LCD much less since I bought the EVF. The appeal of the Fuji to me, just like the X100, is the option of using an OVF with live histogram, and that may be fun enough to give up the tilt...or I may need to own both a 5N and X-Pro1, depending on my mood.
I know the best future digital platform for my ZM lenses remains the M10, all the rest is not serious enough with too many gimmicks. I wonder what APS-C system Leica will announce and when?
edwardkaraa wrote:
I know the best future digital platform for my ZM lenses remains the M10, all the rest is not serious enough with too many gimmicks. I wonder what APS-C system Leica will announce and when?
I hear ya, Edward, as I think just about every camera out there has too many gimmicks for me, personally, but it doesn't really hurt me much for them to be there. To be honest, since I'm pretty much always in M (or maybe S or A) mode, and I shoot raw, just about every camera that I use operates relatively similarly, and I don't need to change tons of settings all of the time. Give me a dial for aperture, a dial for shutter speed, and a shutter button, and it'll work for me.
Unfortunately nowadays it's extremely difficult, if not impossible, to sell a $1500 camera with barebones basic but useful features (which of course is also a subjective matter), because as soon as something like that would be announced, it would be shredded by all us forum experts pointing out the on-paper lack of features.
I have been reading the comments here (not ALL of them) and I think their is a misconception about the "pro" aspect of the camera.
This camera was never produced to satisfy the demands of professional photographers. It was a direct result of the huge interest generated by the X-100 and the concomitant avalanche of requests from AMATEURS for an interchangeable lens version.
The fact that they keep talking about "pro" features is to maintain the fiction that this was crafted for pros and to imply that you clever fellows will appreciate it and lust after it.
Even the top DSLRs in their range are overwhelmingly purchased by amateurs who enjoy cool gear. That is how production reaches volumes that create affordability. So let us just forget this little conceit and get on with appreciating it for it's considerable merits.
This is a beautiful camera. It can also be used by a pro if they so desired and weddings and events could be ideal. Street photography (largely an amateur pursuit these days) is also a good fit. As an all around happy snapper it seems nearly unequaled.
No it doesn't have every freakin' bell and whistle known to man nor should it. It aims at updating the simple joy of a compact, well made camera for general photography and succeeds brilliantly.
Wow, $1700, really. Without a lens? I guess the decided to use the M9 as a benchmark and not the Nex7, which I thought was a bit rich. That $1700 figure seems a bit 'soft' to me in that it came out with out much authority to it. Maybe hope to scalp some early adopters and then have the price at $1599 but street near 1500? Not saying it isn't worth it, but I frankly would have taken less for less. Ditch the hybrid viewfinder, give me a real rf system. At this price point and features, I really don't think af and a digital viewfinder are deal closers.
The M9 is just silly stupid expensive for what it is. Here's hoping that Canon, Nikon or Sony decide to kick it old school and bring out a camera we want and they leave the Best Buy parts bin behind.
douglasf13 wrote:
I'm a little surprised that some of you are able to gauge the tonality of this camera without the identical scene shot with other cameras for comparison (not to mention matters of processing.) I'm not saying the magic isn't there, but I think we're getting a little ahead of ourselves, no?
I agree, I found it very hard to even have an opinion on them. Firstly, I think you look at something like that differently because of some sort of preconception, then you obviously don't have a straight comparison to really gauge anything... Then you have the fact that the photi is taken with soft directional lighting, so the toneswould likely be nice with almost every camera.
FlyPenFly wrote:
No, I just mean if this is meant for the pro market, it can't be wedding/event photographers who need a robust flash system and it can't be pjs so which pro market is this for?
Not everyone is so flash heavy. For me the question is about af/operational speed, rather than anything flash related.
SKumar25 wrote:
According to the roadmap Fuji will be releasing zooms in due course. How will these work with the hybrid evf?
Probably safe to assume evf only?
SKumar25 wrote:
According to the roadmap Fuji will be releasing zooms in due course. How will these work with the hybrid evf?
I just survived that fujiguys preview video
it says the OVF has infinite framelines and variable magnifications
there's like a diopter that slides (internally) in front of the VF, thus changing magnification.
so within the wide magnification for example, you can dial in the menus any focal length that corresponds to the lens you're mounting, and the OVF will adjust framelines accordingly.
or, if it's a Fuji lens, the camera will do it automatically for you
So, the way I envisage it, you mount the zoom lens, the OVF selects a suitable magnification and then you watch the framelines increase/decrease in size as you zoom out and in.
I spoke to WEX briefly and they expect to have a pre-order price in the next couple of days or so...
Browsing on the WEX (warehouseexpress) website, I see the X100 now at £780. I then did the NEX7 + 24/1.8 Zeiss search - seems I'd forgotten just how expensive this combo was! Yikes! So I guess the X-P1 + 35/1.4 would be priced well, if true. But still, if they want me to part with my cash at that price, it does need to have nippy AF.
One thing I'm still unsure of. With the OVF can you actually use AF? Like do you have any idea of the focus points or anything like that? I'd always assumed not, but wanted to ask, as the EVF doesn't sound like it's improved at all and few really "liked" it as far as I'm aware
Side note: Can we officially start calling it the Fuji X-P1 now? Sounds a little less embarassing or something
