nonick wrote:
Absoutely agree. I just got 5D2 and it's super high ISO low light IQ is really a shame in my opinon. In the shadow areas when shot at super high ISO( especially in 6400) in low light, horizontal noise brands are quite hard to avoid. I had a 7D and it did much better in this front.. basically never had horizontal branding in shadow area with 7D @ 6400.
And of course if you try to lift shadows in those super ISO shots taken by 5D2, you reveal more trouble banding noise which basically make the pictures unusable...
I am honestly disappointed with the low light Super Hi ISO performance with the 5D2. People said it has 1 stop advantage ahead of the 7D... well with the branding noise problem, I really think that claim might only hold up to ISO 3200.
Of course, on top of the IQ problem, the AF system on the 5D2 has a lot of room to catch up...
For now, I will use the 5D2 until the 5D3 is out and let's pray that the new sensor and the digc V chip will take care of the problem. Otherwise, I will seriously consider if I should jump ship to Nikon.
nonick wrote:
Absoutely agree. I just got 5D2 and it's super high ISO low light IQ is really a shame in my opinon. In the shadow areas when shot at super high ISO( especially in 6400) in low light, horizontal noise brands are quite hard to avoid. I had a 7D and it did much better in this front.. basically never had horizontal branding in shadow area with 7D @ 6400.
And of course if you try to lift shadows in those super ISO shots taken by 5D2, you reveal more trouble banding noise which basically make the pictures unusable...
I am honestly disappointed with the low light Super Hi ISO performance with the 5D2. People said it has 1 stop advantage ahead of the 7D... well with the branding noise problem, I really think that claim might only hold up to ISO 3200.
Of course, on top of the IQ problem, the AF system on the 5D2 has a lot of room to catch up...
For now, I will use the 5D2 until the 5D3 is out and let's pray that the new sensor and the digc V chip will take care of the problem. Otherwise, I will seriously consider if I should jump ship to Nikon. ...Show more →
Sounds to me that you've been unlucky with the 5D2 and lucky with the 7D. There is a clear (roughly one step) noise-advantage for the FF vs the APS-C. The 5D2 still surpasses the 5N too, albeit that is ahead of the 7D. This apart from the general FF-advantage of having a much larger supply of fast WA/normalish glass giving further headroom of 1-2 steps.
Jacob D wrote:
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The M9 is probably the best of both worlds.
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I agree with most of what you say but the M9 doesn't do it for me. The poor MFD, mediocre high ISO performance and silly high cost make the M9 a non-contender for me.
wfrank wrote:
Actually I would say that when it comes to the specific sport of lifting shadows, this is perhaps the area where the 5N sensor can excel over the 5D2. ...
I've found just the opposite in my comparisons with the 5d "classic" and the 5N. I'll have to do a comparison and post one here.
alexandre wrote:
For me, the ability to really use wide angles as they are supposed to be used - how easily you can find a 21mm than its equiv to crop - , a good OVF, and that amazing DoF control make the 2005 5D a winner for me. ...
Agreed, that's a big factor for me as well. My CZ 28 f/2.8 and 50 1.7 are completely different animals on an APS-C sensor.
ken.vs.ryu wrote:
I wish I could manual focus the 5d as well as the nex.
Now this I can absolutely agree with.
As I've said before the focus peaking ability and being able to see the exposure in real time are truly revolutionary. I also love being able to tilt the EVF of the 5N, its like a built in angle finder - its amazing.
Come on FF mirrorless! - So, who do you think will be the first to make one?
michael49 wrote:
I've found just the opposite in my comparisons with the 5d "classic" and the 5N. I'll have to do a comparison and post one here.
Would be interesting to see! I have no experience with the 5Dc. Generally one have to be pretty harsh with shadow-lifting (or take down highlights) to see it, but it means a 5D2 (or a 7D, XXD and XXXD) is more picky with setting the exposure right. This is how it differs from the Sony sensor in 5N. There you can actually adjust the exposure more afterwards w/o (or far less) sensor read-out banding - although noise will be there.
- So, who do you think will be the first to make one?