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p.12 #1 · FoCal MA Tool


badlydrawnboy wrote:
...with my Tamron 24-70. FoCal gave me +3 on the tele end and +7 on the wide end. That seemed to be pretty accurate - as long as I was shooting at the same distance I calibrated at (about 5 feet). Then I did some close-ups @2-3 ft. and it was back-focusing significantly. Is this a lens issue...


It's a lens issue, most likely. When changing the focal length, several pieces of glass are moving about in the barrel, and keeping all the relationships constant is a tough act.

How to deal with it? Do the MFA at the focal distance most-often used, or at 50-times the focal length (which should cover a good range of distances with fair accuracy), and switch to manual focus or Live View AF for closeups. It's not a perfect solution, but it's workable.



Jun 22, 2012 at 02:42 PM
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p.12 #2 · FoCal MA Tool


BrianO wrote:
It's a lens issue, most likely. When changing the focal length, several pieces of glass are moving about in the barrel, and keeping all the relationships constant is a tough act.

How to deal with it? Do the MFA at the focal distance most-often used, or at 50-times the focal length (which should cover a good range of distances with fair accuracy), and switch to manual focus or Live View AF for closeups. It's not a perfect solution, but it's workable.


Would sending the lens to Tamron for calibration be likely to have any effect in this situation?



Jun 22, 2012 at 03:22 PM
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p.12 #3 · FoCal MA Tool


badlydrawnboy wrote:
Would sending the lens to Tamron for calibration be likely to have any effect in this situation?


I don't have any direct experience with Tamron zooms, but a friend who had a similar problem with a Canon zoom had his recalibrated and its focus consistency improved markedly.

I'd give Tamron a call to see what they say, since it might help.



Jun 22, 2012 at 03:28 PM
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p.12 #4 · FoCal MA Tool


badlydrawnboy wrote:
Would sending the lens to Tamron for calibration be likely to have any effect in this situation?


Just curious - are you seeing this issue on other camera bodies or just 5D3?? Could just be that your lens and the 5D3 don't get along well...



Jun 22, 2012 at 03:29 PM
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p.12 #5 · FoCal MA Tool


Unfortunately I only have one body. And right now, only 3 lenses (though I just ordered a Canon 100/2). Of those, the 50/1.2 and Tamron 24-70 are erratic. The 50/1.4 seems to be pretty accurate with the FoCal adjustment.


Jun 22, 2012 at 03:41 PM
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p.12 #6 · FoCal MA Tool


kevindar wrote:
where did you get that from?


I was a beta tester. The only way to test was with a license, which has stayed current or the owner updated it.



Jun 22, 2012 at 05:05 PM
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p.12 #7 · FoCal MA Tool


Is it a bad sign when a lens needs a really big adjustment, like +8? Seems like it would be, especially if it's a new lens that hasn't been bumped, etc.


Jun 22, 2012 at 05:13 PM
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p.12 #8 · FoCal MA Tool


badlydrawnboy wrote:
Is it a bad sign when a lens needs a really big adjustment, like +8? Seems like it would be, especially if it's a new lens that hasn't been bumped, etc.


No, 'cuz part of that may be the camera body calibration. If it was 15 or more, I'd worry. Or if it is decentered I'd worry... +8 is not a big deal.

ETA: my 50/1.4 is:

0 on 7D
+3 on 5D2
+9 on 1D3

... and performs well on all 3.



Jun 22, 2012 at 05:26 PM
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p.12 #9 · FoCal MA Tool


mco_970 wrote:
No, 'cuz part of that may be the camera body calibration. If it was 15 or more, I'd worry. Or if it is decentered I'd worry... +8 is not a big deal.

ETA: my 50/1.4 is:

0 on 7D
+3 on 5D2
+9 on 1D3

... and performs well on all 3.


Good to know. Thanks.



Jun 22, 2012 at 05:30 PM
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p.12 #10 · FoCal MA Tool


Andrew J wrote:
I was a beta tester. The only way to test was with a license, which has stayed current or the owner updated it.

thanks Andrew. I will contact him



Jun 22, 2012 at 05:47 PM
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p.12 #11 · FoCal MA Tool


mco_970 wrote:
No, 'cuz part of that may be the camera body calibration. If it was 15 or more, I'd worry. Or if it is decentered I'd worry... +8 is not a big deal.



I agree. My new 50/1.2 needed a MA of -12. I was a little worried first, but the lens performs very good now that I have MA'd it.



Jun 23, 2012 at 03:03 AM
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p.12 #12 · FoCal MA Tool


Bleh. I have been waiting for the mac version forever.

Guess I'm gonna have to rent a PC just to try this program.



Jun 23, 2012 at 02:04 PM
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p.12 #13 · FoCal MA Tool


The new public beta version is up. I just installed it after a gnarly crash on my old version. It's running better!

I am strugging to MA my 300 + 1.4x TC. It ran well on 7D and 5D2, but I am getting horrid results on my 1D3 (FoCal is working just fine, it's the lens + TC that is not good, and I have nooooo idea why).



Jun 23, 2012 at 02:28 PM
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p.12 #14 · FoCal MA Tool


Rickuz wrote:
Bleh. I have been waiting for the mac version forever.

Guess I'm gonna have to rent a PC just to try this program.


ever consider Parallels or Boot Camp?



Jun 26, 2012 at 09:26 PM
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p.12 #15 · FoCal MA Tool


Rickuz wrote:
Bleh. I have been waiting for the mac version forever.


I've been waiting for the Mac version too. There's no way I'm giving up 40 GB of HD space and buying a copy of windows just to run one app.

Their website says, "the Mac version is under development and is planned for first release in Q2 2012," which is this weekend. So maybe it will be out soon



Jun 26, 2012 at 11:06 PM
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p.12 #16 · FoCal MA Tool


I'm waiting for the mac version too. Till it is released, the program works fine in a windows 7 evaluation version (microsoft) virtual machine (vmware). The win 7 trial period can be extended two or three time by a terminal command.

HK



Jun 27, 2012 at 01:44 AM
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p.12 #17 · FoCal MA Tool


How do you guys make it work (pro version) with the canon 5D III ?

I bought it to adjust the 5D III (only works in semi-automatic mode).
Not very successful I must say. Maybe user error but then I would like some advice.
I start the process and then I have to make a manual micro-adjustment (on the camera). To be able to get into the camera menu I have to unplug the camera (otherwise it says "busy"). When I unplug the camera then the Focal software stops working and I have to start it up again and start over. Is it supposed to work like that with the 5DIII??



Jun 28, 2012 at 01:42 AM
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p.12 #18 · FoCal MA Tool


Works for me without unplugging anything. I agree that if you had to unplug things, it would be tedious at best. But I just press the Menu button and voila, menu appears.


Jun 28, 2012 at 01:44 AM
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p.12 #19 · FoCal MA Tool


Anybody notice AFMA value inconsistencies between versions during upgrades? I upgraded PRO from v1.41 to v1.44 and the AFMA values didn't come out the same for any of my lenses. Pretty much the same setup, I'll put a target on a tripod outdoors with plenty of light in the daytime, jpeg, center point af, disable assist af points, awb, center weight, focal length x 50 distance. Seems like the latest version is a little over sensitive maybe. I've reverted back to the original AFMA values from v1.41 I had but will keep experimenting.

I wish Canon would go back and update the firmware to support a range of AFMA values for zoom lenses like that in the newer bodies.



Jun 29, 2012 at 08:38 PM
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p.12 #20 · FoCal MA Tool


I was taking some random outdoor shots testing AFMA values and noticed in LR 4.1 that when using the sharpening mask it seemed like a potential method to validate AF values. With a fairly new 70-200 II f2.8 lens I tested both 70mm and 200mm using the good ole ruler test so I placed one on some berber carpet floor, on a tripod, distance of about 8 feet at a 45 degree angle with a screwdriver as my target. I had the 1D4 set at center AF with assist AF on (cf III:8 at 2). Nothing really scientific here, just an interesting observation using LR I haven't seen before.

Focal v1.41 said 200mm at -6, 70mm at +2
Focal v1.44 said 200mm at -5, 70mm at +2

By adjusting the mask you can see to a higher value I was able to sharpen just areas truly in focus because of detail available. example shots, http://i.imgur.com/fExx3.jpg



Jul 02, 2012 at 12:25 AM
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