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Gyroscope wrote:
I think this camera is surely marketed at photojournalists and sports shooters or people that want a do-it-all body. People that want something for birding/wildlife will still need a 1D mk4 replacement and people that shoot landscape at low ISO's who want high MP surely will still be wanting 5D mk3 or 1Dsmk4. This has got to be an addition to the line not a replacement right?

I voted for the high iso but I would only use high iso for birding if I had one but I wouldn't get one because of the reduced pixel density.


I agree. I voted for the high ISO, too. I'd use the full frame and high ISO for low light shooting, where high FPS usually doesn't matter. I'd use the high FPS capability as a companion camera for my 1DIV, 'cause it's a lot better than using my 1DsIII for the same role.

As you say, the 1DX is probably intended to be a do-it-all pro body. I think there's more coming; both a high density, full frame sensor (1DsIV), and a faster APS-C shooter (1DV). After all, Canon makes the best pro DSLR cameras, right? This will set in in concrete.



Oct 19, 2011 at 06:11 PM
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Gyroscope wrote:
People that want something for birding/wildlife will still need a 1D mk4 replacement and people that shoot landscape at low ISO's who want high MP surely will still be wanting 5D mk3 or 1Dsmk4. This has got to be an addition to the line not a replacement right?


Think again…From the Official Canon Press Release:

"...the EOS-1D X will be a high-speed multimedia juggernaut replacing both the EOS-1Ds Mark III and EOS-1D Mark IV models in Canon's lineup"

Omar



Oct 19, 2011 at 06:19 PM
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...or Pixels Per Pachyderm.



That's good, because sure like hell the pixel density concept alone doesn't sit well with average "birders", and the idea that crop cameras do not contain built-in extenders has not penetrated yet fully.

When I got 7D recently, I half-seriously did a little test. 500 f/4 on my 1DMkIIN vs. 300 f/4 on 7D.
Similar "reach" there, right ?



Oct 19, 2011 at 06:26 PM
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omarlyn wrote:
Think again…From the Official Canon Press Release:

"...the EOS-1D X will be a high-speed multimedia juggernaut replacing both the EOS-1Ds Mark III and EOS-1D Mark IV models in Canon's lineup"

Omar


Yes, but that doesn't necessarily mean that there won't be a 1DsIV and 1DV. Right?



Oct 19, 2011 at 06:27 PM
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This is not what a landscape photographer or studio photographer or macro photographer or architecture photographer really needs. The two camera line-up made sense, a single jack-of-all-trades does not. It's a 1D IV replacement at best.



Actually, the more I think about it, I think that, while it may not satisfy the landscape photographer, studio photographer, architecture photographer, etc., I think that the 1D X is more suited to be a 1Ds Mark III replacement than it is suited to be a 1D Mark IV replacement.


For the 1Ds Mark III crowd, the loss of 3 mp will be negligible, but, in return, they get 12 fps, better high ISO, etc. If I had a 1Ds Mark III, I don't know if I could justify selling it, adding a few thousand dollars, and buying a 1D X, but, if I was starting from scratch and could buy a 1Ds III or 1D X for about the same price, I'd easily pick the 1D X. But it clearly isn't a 1D Mark IV replacement. Especially for wildlife shooters, but even for sports shooters and photojournalists, there are issues. Think of the guys shooting NFL games or MLB games. The 400/2.8 has been their go to lens. Now, to get the same shots that they got with the 1D Mark IV, they will, with a 1D X, have to either crop down to 11 mp or else they will have to add a 1.4x or use a 500/4. Either way, they lose a stop of light, which will cancel out any noise/high ISO advantage and image quality improvement that the 1D X will have. At the same time, PJs will have carry around bigger, heavier, more expensive, and slower lenses to get the same shots that they could get with a 1D Mark IV. There is a reason why the 1D series cameras have been, for a decade, the choice of wildlife shooters, sports shooters, and photojournalists, and a big part of that reason is that the 1.3 crop factor has always seemed to be in the sweet spot with regard to the balance between pixel size, pixel density, and speed.

I do have to admit that I'm sure that the 1D X will be a great camera, and I'd like to have one, but, if I did get one, it would be in addition to the 1D Mark IV, but I can't really justify owning 3 cameras, and, for my needs, the 7D is a better fit as a second camera than would be a 1D X. For those rare times that I need more pixels or need to go wider than I can with the 1D Mark IV, I can just stitch together multiple frames from the 1D Mark IV. If, however, Canon had decided to make their "do-it-all" camera a 30 mp ff camera with an 18 mp 1.3 crop mode, even if the price had been several thousand dollars higher, I think I would have gone for it and would have been willing to give up the 1D Mark IV.

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Oct 19, 2011 at 06:46 PM
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I recall the discussions of the IV price vs. 5D II + 7D, now's it basically IV + 5D II vs 1d X for about the same money.

What I dislike is the Mar/2012 ship date plus I'd guess this camera's availability won't really be until June/July next year for most if demand is high. It's hard to believe you intro your flagship camera and say it will be initially available in 5 months? That's assuming no catastrophes regarding earthquakes, economy, and negative reviews prior to shipping. 5 months is a long time to evaluate the competition.



Oct 19, 2011 at 06:52 PM
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jcolwell wrote:
Yes, but that doesn't necessarily mean that there won't be a 1DsIV and 1DV. Right?


There ought to be another comera in the pipeline with an Orca size sensor.
And it will be packaged in the 1D manner because that allows Canon to price it at $12,000 or something like that.

The market demand for super high resolution cameras appears as strong as ever. They've just announced their new hare camera. The pachyderm is yet to come.



Oct 19, 2011 at 07:11 PM
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PetKal wrote:
...And it will be packaged in the 1D manner because that allows Canon to price it at $12,000 or something like that.


Of course, that price will include the 200-400/4L IS kit lens.



Oct 19, 2011 at 07:19 PM
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I'm holding out for Pixels-Per-Donkey.


Oct 19, 2011 at 07:20 PM
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jcolwell wrote:
Of course, that price will include the 200-400/4L IS kit lens.


Close but not quite . There will be a new high optical grade 24-70L IS offered with it for $3,000 extra.
If you buy both, shipping will be free and they'll throw in a lens cleaning cloth just to sweeten the deal.



Oct 19, 2011 at 07:29 PM
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IMHO, this Body 1DX s very contradicting..

for sport/wild shooter:
High FPS and super AF is GOOD
No 1.3x factor, AF limit at F5.6 is BAD... (very bad)
Do you really need such high iso in outdoor/wildlife?

for Event/wedding shooter
High ISO, great AF, FF is GOOD
High FPS, 18mp is BAD..(well, not bad but could be better)
.... 12-14FPS: What the H*LL? do i need to take 12 (same) shots of B&G kissing?
and Why cant it be more than 18MP? i know 18mp is more than enough for event esp for its pixel quality. But with such high end camera and new 3 Digic V&IV chips, I like the Option/potential to be sky High limit (medium format type of pixel) What if a 1DX photog want to shoot for Commercial banner/bill board?

Videos:
Yeah: the rec limit extended to 30min but still NO AF in video. (well the MF isnt bad but having option is better than No Option in case I get lazy at focusing, Nikon body already have AF in their Videos)
AND: at 1080P, it's only avail at 30fps... Suck if i want high speed.

I was thinking to buy Canon new release body and deposited $1k in my local cam store for 5D2 replacement.. But i dont see myself buying this body (PLUS i cant afford $7k tag, maybe $3 or $4)



Oct 19, 2011 at 07:32 PM
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Actually, the more I think about it, I think that, while it may not satisfy the landscape photographer, studio photographer, architecture photographer, etc., I think that the 1D X is more suited to be a 1Ds Mark III replacement than it is suited to be a 1D Mark IV replacement.

For the 1Ds Mark III crowd, the loss of 3 mp will be negligible, but, in return, they get 12 fps, better high ISO, etc. If I had a 1Ds Mark III, I don't know if I could justify selling it, adding a few thousand dollars, and buying a 1D
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Actually Jim I'm not sure what it replaces as I said it tries to satisfy everyone, but comes up short. Don't forget it may only be 3MP less than the 1Ds III, but I'll bet those studio types and landscape people etc, would have probably been expecting and hoping for 27-30MP far more than 12fps.

I'm sure it's an awesome camera and maybe down the track I'll get one, but it's not going to be as simple as now just leap frogging the 1D IV, which is what I would've normally expected. As for sports PJ Jim, let's not forget they were doing fine with a 1D II/1D III + 400 f/2.8, and 1D X gives them a bit more reach, even if a lot less than 1D IV. Canon assumes they'll bump the ISO up a stop or 2 and still have the same IQ (that's the theory) I guess.

Anyway, for now a 1D IV for replace my 1D III and I assume a 7D update has to come in the next 6 months as it's now over 2 years since release. Further tweaking and refinement of the AF, digic 5 and much cleaner files at low ISO especially would be a most welcome.



Oct 19, 2011 at 07:44 PM
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The ideal target for the 1Dx seems to be indoor sports shooters where really long reach is not required. For birders, and many wildlife photographers, the loss of pixel density and f8 auto-focus makes the 1Dm4 a no brainer, IMHO.


Oct 19, 2011 at 08:00 PM
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I'm starting to think the 1DX is a crossover model, not a flagship model.
While I rarely use f8 AF, I like the option to use it if I need it, but if everything else works flawlessly, I might be able to overlook it.

I really wish it had built in wireless N and USB3.

I'm perfectly happy with 18mp FF with less noise.

A 5D with this 18mp sensor, Digic V, 1DIV AF and build quality would be a dream come true.



Oct 19, 2011 at 08:06 PM
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As I often shoot in gyms and fields with dungeon light I applaud Canon for responding to my needs. I also expect the tonal range and image quality should be outstanding and all will benefit.


Oct 19, 2011 at 08:27 PM
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Yakim Peled wrote:
PRO: It will lower the price of used 1D4 to more affordable levels.

Happy shooting,
Yakim.


I'm not so sure. The last new 1D IV bodies might even be premium priced and used higher than they were given the price of the 1D-X.

EBH



Oct 19, 2011 at 08:38 PM
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Yakim Peled wrote:
PRO: It will lower the price of used 1D4 to more affordable levels.

Happy shooting,
Yakim.


I'm not so sure. The last new 1D IV bodies might even be premium priced and used higher than they were given the price of the 1D-X.

EBH



Oct 19, 2011 at 08:38 PM
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Pixel Perfect wrote:
As for sports PJ Jim, let's not forget they were doing fine with a 1D II/1D III + 400 f/2.8, and 1D X gives them a bit more reach, even if a lot less than 1D IV.



Yes, but that was by what based on 2004 or 2007 standards, but the bar with regard to quality has been raised considerably since then. I'm sure that there were pictures that could have earned a 2 page spread in a national magazine in 2004 that, today, could only measure up to the acceptable level of a 4x6 picture in a small town paper. I also know that there are wildlife pictures that would have been published in 2004 that, today, would have trouble winning an honorable mention in a local photo contest. And I can't imagine that people are going to want to go back to standards of 2004 or 2007.



Oct 19, 2011 at 08:58 PM
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uz2work wrote:
Yes, but that was by what based on 2004 or 2007 standards, but the bar with regard to quality has been raised considerably since then. I'm sure that there were pictures that could have earned a 2 page spread in a national magazine in 2004 that, today, could only measure up to the acceptable level of a 4x6 picture in a small town paper. I also know that there are wildlife pictures that would have been published in 2004 that, today, would have trouble winning an honorable mention in a local photo contest. And I can't imagine that people are
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But if they can now shoot say ISO 6400 at the same noise as they could at ISO 800/1600 with the 1D II/1D III imagine the possibilities. I'm not sure what field sports need longer than 400, other than cricket, but surely even with the 1D X they'll have enough reach for the most part. Every sport I attend 90% of the lenses are 400 f/2.8. With the improved AF of the 400 II and the 1D X and high ISO noise it might be more than enough to make up for the loss of reach in most cases.



Oct 19, 2011 at 09:10 PM
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vuilang wrote:
IMHO, this Body 1DX s very contradicting..

for sport/wild shooter:
High FPS and super AF is GOOD
No 1.3x factor, AF limit at F5.6 is BAD... (very bad)
Do you really need such high iso in outdoor/wildlife?



Given that much wildlife and most birds are very active around dawn and dusk, the extra shutterspeed available from the high ISO will be appreciated - at least by those that don't have a 2x MkIII bolted to their long lenses (who won't be able to AF anyway)



Oct 19, 2011 at 09:26 PM
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