wickerprints wrote:
I'm pretty sure this camera is the sole successor to the 1D4 and 1Ds3. Canon wouldn't use a special designation "X" if they intended to keep these product lines separate.
I'm also pretty sure this camera will be a lot more expensive than most of you are hoping. There are *three* DIGIC processors in it--two DIGIC 5, and one DIGIC 4. That is completely unheard of in the history of EOS. There's an entirely new AF sensor with an unheard-of 61 AF points, all cross-type; and that's handled by the DIGIC 4. That's a lot of processing power devoted to just AF and AE; the entire 5D2's image processing system is run off a single DIGIC 4 chip.
Then we need to consider the fact that there hasn't been an update to the 1Ds line in almost four years, and the last one, the 1Ds3, debuted at $8000. People have been waiting for this body and the demand is at record levels. This is the replacement--new, top-of-the-line AF; new metering system; new sensor; unprecedented ISO range; new features across the board. It is absurd to think this is going to be priced at current 1D4 levels, especially considering that the global economy is in the toilet and Canon has been on a strongly increasing price trend for all of its products.
Be prepared for a very, very high price tag on this body. The pixel count is misleading; it may be 18.1 MP but everything else in this body screams pricey. Canon will extract as much money as possible from those who have been dying for a new flagship body and are ready to buy one at any price....Show more →
the fact they use three digics is trivial when it comes to the cost though hah, they cost but but dollars, even the lowest end cheapest P&S from canon uses the same digic as in the DSLR
the 12fps mirror/shutter i'm sure cost a good deal to make
and the R&D for the radically new AF and metering and since they run on a digic they probably involve a lot more code than they even did before
still 14 bit A/D, i have a bad feeling the D7000 and other sony sensors will still win DR perhaps
although maybe they used a super quality one and actually can get say 13.5 stops out of the A/D but they don't really mention better DR or less banding etc. maybe only the sony patent inline A/D system can deliver top DR....
andy_s wrote:
I'm wondering about the 'Multiple exposure modes'
"The EOS-1D X is the first EOS Digital SLR to feature Multiple Exposure capability. The camera can combine up to nine individual images into a single composite image, with no need for post-processing in a computer. Four different compositing methods are provided for maximum creative control, including Additive, Average, Bright and Dark. Compositing results can be viewed in real time on the camera’s LCD monitor, and there is a one-step Undo command that allows photographers to delete an image and try again if desired. The EOS-1D X’s Multiple Exposure mode even allows photographers to specify a previously captured RAW image as the starting point for a new Multiple Exposure composite image."
Is this effectively (or exactly) Canon speak for in camera HDR?...Show more →
the price aint gonna fly? this will sell like hot cakes. its cheaper than introductory price of the ds line. will appeal to a very large segment of pro photographers. I will bet you that they cant keep enough in stock for the first year.
andy_s wrote:
I'm wondering about the 'Multiple exposure modes'
"The EOS-1D X is the first EOS Digital SLR to feature Multiple Exposure capability. The camera can combine up to nine individual images into a single composite image, with no need for post-processing in a computer. Four different compositing methods are provided for maximum creative control, including Additive, Average, Bright and Dark. Compositing results can be viewed in real time on the camera’s LCD monitor, and there is a one-step Undo command that allows photographers to delete an image and try again if desired. The EOS-1D X’s Multiple Exposure mode even allows photographers to specify a previously captured RAW image as the starting point for a new Multiple Exposure composite image."
Is this effectively (or exactly) Canon speak for in camera HDR?...Show more →
In the bright and dark mode, it appears like HDR or at least exposure blending, as there is no tone mapping, it's more exposure fusion.
"Canon has answered the request of many professional EOS photographers and incorporated Dual Card Slots into the new EOS-1D X DSLR camera. The dual CF card slots will allow photographers to carry only one memory card format and still achieve instant image back-ups and enhanced storage capacity."
"While the 18-megapixel sensor is a resolution step back from the previous full-frame models, Canon says the reduced resolution was necessary to obtain the sports-level continuous-shooting speeds--one of the primary drivers of the historical separation of the line into two bodies."
The future of the 1D and 1Ds lines are unclear to me, after reading the press release. In describing these two lines, present tense is used, and it refers to this model integrating the strengths of these two lines, not the two lines themselves. I'll have to wait and see, but I lean toward believing(speculating) that their fast pro camera has just been upped to full frame, with a higher mp, less expensive 5 series type camera continuing, and a higher mp pro model continuing. The 1Dx is called a "flagship" camera in the release, but both the 1D3 and 1D4 cameras were referred to as "flagship" as well.
Danielkl wrote:
Certainly not, given that the D800 (if rumour be believed) will come in at 36mpix in a week or so. However, it would appear that they will only offer high MP cameras in 5D size & feature level.
D700 AF and 6.3fps (with grip) for rumored D800 go beyond 5 series feature level
The drop from 21mp to 18mp is not that big of a deal, it sounds worse than it likely is, and if the pixels have 1/2 the noise of the 5DII and 1DsIII, with better metering, I think this will have better IQ than the 5DII and 1DsIII.
I too was wondering about gigabit vs. USB3 and Thunderbolt, 1Gb vs. 5Gb & 10Gb.
I can't see them ditch usb2 in favor of gigabit, that would mean everyone would need a gigabit switch at their work station or dual gigabit cards.
I wish it had gigabit wireless N built in, and USB3.
Pixel Perfect wrote:
In the bright and dark mode, it appears like HDR or at least exposure blending, as there is no tone mapping, it's more exposure fusion.
Here is more from Rob G's page
The first way involves shooting one frame at a time, watching the blended image build to completion on the rear LCD as each new frame is shot. You can undo the last frame and retake it, you can optionally use a previously-captured RAW frame as your starting point for the multiple exposure and you can choose to save each individual frame as well as the composite frame to the memory card.
The second way is simpler: shoot a nine-frame continuous burst at up to 12fps and the EOS-1DX will blend them. For classic multiple exposure sports pictures, such as a pitcher winding up to release the ball, this multiple exposure variant is meant to do all the processing work and leave the shooting to you
andy_s wrote:
I'm wondering about the 'Multiple exposure modes'
"The EOS-1D X is the first EOS Digital SLR to feature Multiple Exposure capability. The camera can combine up to nine individual images into a single composite image, with no need for post-processing in a computer. Four different compositing methods are provided for maximum creative control, including Additive, Average, Bright and Dark. Compositing results can be viewed in real time on the camera’s LCD monitor, and there is a one-step Undo command that allows photographers to delete an image and try again if desired. The EOS-1D X’s Multiple Exposure mode even allows photographers to specify a previously captured RAW image as the starting point for a new Multiple Exposure composite image."
Is this effectively (or exactly) Canon speak for in camera HDR?...Show more →
Tom K. wrote:
"While the 18-megapixel sensor is a resolution step back from the previous full-frame models, Canon says the reduced resolution was necessary to obtain the sports-level continuous-shooting speeds--one of the primary drivers of the historical separation of the line into two bodies."
Via CNET
Hmm, I reckon I would have been just as happy with 11/13fps @ 21MP.
As for price it's not surprising as this blows 1Ds III out of the water in every area but res, and it's only 6% lower. It's still a lot cheaper than when 1Ds/1DsII and 1Ds III were released. If US dollar was at the same level as when 1Ds III was released this probably would have been under $6K.
