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p.16 #1EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
wickerprints wrote:
You wouldn't want in-camera CA correction for raw files anyway. The whole point of raw is to record as much of the original image data that the camera saw; any corrections in post would simply be indicated as a set of directives to the raw converter, as is currently done.
But because video isn't recorded as raw, this feature is most welcome, as it can be applied on the fly without expensive frame-by-frame computation in post. And because it's also done for JPEGs, it's great for JPEG shooters, who presumably want to do as little processing on their files as they...Show more →
Yes of course.. I was just thinking out loud.
Still, it's interesting to me as a RAW shooter, for this reason: In ACR, I enable this by default so that CA corrections are automatically applied. Buit in DPP, this is not so easy. CA correction is off by default, and you can't just select all of the thumbnails in a folder and enable it as a batch, because Canon applies its whole set of image corrections together. For example, if you *also* have vignetting correction enabled (the level of which is controlled by a slider), Canon will apply the correction level of the first selected image to the entire set, rather than the "as-shot" correction required by each lens.
Obviously, this is lame software design and should be fixed. But at least with this camera the CA correction can be toggled in-camera, making it a set-and-forget feature (finally) if using DPP.
Edited on Oct 18, 2011 at 02:39 AM · View previous versions
You wouldn't want in-camera CA correction for raw files anyway. The whole point of raw is to record as much of the original image data that the camera saw; any corrections in post would simply be indicated as a set of directives to the raw converter, as is currently done.
But because video isn't recorded as raw, this feature is most welcome, as it can be applied on the fly without expensive frame-by-frame computation in post. And because it's also done for JPEGs, it's great for JPEG shooters, who presumably want to do as little processing on their files as they...Show more →
Yes of course.. I was just thinking out loud.
Still, it's interesting to me as a RAW shooter, for this reason: In ACR, I enable this by default so that CA corrections are automatically applied. Buit in DPP, this is not so easy. CA correction is off by default, and you can't just select all of the thumbnails in a folder and enable it as a batch, because Canon applies its whole set of image corrections together. For example, if you *also* have vignetting correction enabled (the level of which is controlled by a slider), Canon will apply the correction level of the first selected image to the entire set, rather than the "as-shot" correction required by each lens.
Obviously, this is lame software design and should be fixed. But at least with this camera the CA correction can be toggled in-camera, making it a set-and-forget feature (finally) if using DPP.
Edited on Oct 18, 2011 at 02:39 AM · View previous versions
Oct 18, 2011 at 02:35 AM
p.16 #2EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
Wow already 13 pages long and I just got up!
Well, this was the camera that I've wanted from Canon for a long time, so I'm very happy. I would have liked a focus points closer to the outer edge since it suits my style at times, but it's a massive improvement on what I currently have for weddings so it's pretty much perfect for me.
Well, this was the camera that I've wanted from Canon for a long time, so I'm very happy. I would have liked a focus points closer to the outer edge since it suits my style at times, but it's a massive improvement on what I currently have for weddings so it's pretty much perfect for me.
Oct 18, 2011 at 02:39 AM
p.16 #3EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
alundeb wrote:
because everything points towards another very high resolution camera in the not too distant future.
I'd be surprised if they don't do this..
because everything points towards another very high resolution camera in the not too distant future.
I'd be surprised if they don't do this..
Oct 18, 2011 at 02:40 AM
p.16 #4EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
garyvot wrote:
Yes, finally this is the unification of the professional line into a single, do-all camera, and I suspect this means the end of the 1Ds.
The fact that many professionals without requirements for high speed shooting quickly chose the 5D Mark II over the 1DsIII was really the writing on the wall (as was the reaction that many Nikon shooters had to the pricing of the D3x). Pixels alone are simply not enough to justify the cost of such a camera, and the requirements of studio and landscape photography can be satisfied in a slower, less extremely built platform.
So for...Show more →
That's my view too. I do a lot of studio work and I would choose my 5dii over a 1dx for this just for the extra resolution.
I don't need 12 fps. I don't need high DR. I don't need high ISO. I don't need *amazing* focussing (although something like the 7d is still a must).
Studio is a very different requirement and I do wonder whether they'll bother with a high res 1d series camera any more.
If you think of who the 1d is aimed at (wedding, sports, general), I don't think resolution is top of their agenda. Well, most of them anyway.
Daan B wrote
Where is Canon going with this? Combining the speed of the 1D series and the FF sensor of the 1Ds series. End of both series perhaps? I mean, what is the advantage of the 1D series after this... apart from the 1.3x sensor for reach maybe. FF sensor will be cleaner at higher ISO's anyway. It seems like they are trying to combat the excellent FF / speedy Nikon bodies (like the D700/D3 series) with this one.The fact that many professionals without requirements for high speed shooting quickly chose the 5D Mark II over the 1DsIII was really the writing on the wall (as was the reaction that many Nikon shooters had to the pricing of the D3x). Pixels alone are simply not enough to justify the cost of such a camera, and the requirements of studio and landscape photography can be satisfied in a slower, less extremely built platform.
So for...Show more →
That's my view too. I do a lot of studio work and I would choose my 5dii over a 1dx for this just for the extra resolution.
I don't need 12 fps. I don't need high DR. I don't need high ISO. I don't need *amazing* focussing (although something like the 7d is still a must).
Studio is a very different requirement and I do wonder whether they'll bother with a high res 1d series camera any more.
If you think of who the 1d is aimed at (wedding, sports, general), I don't think resolution is top of their agenda. Well, most of them anyway.
Oct 18, 2011 at 02:47 AM
p.16 #5EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
Canon developed the 120 MP APS-H sensor in 2010:
announcement here
I am sure they have not forgotten you folks who want the megapixels.
announcement here
I am sure they have not forgotten you folks who want the megapixels.
Oct 18, 2011 at 02:57 AM
p.16 #6EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
Some more info:
http://cpn.canon-europe.com/content/education/technical/eos_1d_x_explained.do
AF claimed to work down to EV -2, one stop darker than the 1D IV
http://cpn.canon-europe.com/content/education/technical/eos_1d_x_explained.do
AF claimed to work down to EV -2, one stop darker than the 1D IV
Oct 18, 2011 at 03:18 AM
p.16 #7EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
picture samples up...wow the 12800 sample looks great.
Like to see a higher res sample though..
Like to see a higher res sample though..
Oct 18, 2011 at 03:24 AM
p.16 #8EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
From Gizmodo:
Some sample photos I saw from a pre-production model that were shot at ISO 25,600 were ridiculously, ridiculously clean.
http://gizmodo.com/canon-1d-x/
Some sample photos I saw from a pre-production model that were shot at ISO 25,600 were ridiculously, ridiculously clean.
http://gizmodo.com/canon-1d-x/
Oct 18, 2011 at 03:34 AM
p.16 #9EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
Cool camera, but I'll be rocking my 5Dc for the foreseeable future 
As for the high ISO shots - really guys and gals, these are postage-stamped samples - wait for the real skinny
I'm curious to see how the camera responds to shadow raising and DR in general.
I'm also curious to see how all these new features are going to meld together and if they'll work as advertised.
Had I the cash and desire for such a body, my move would be to wait a few months until the DPR crowd has had it, let them discover every little nit they can (and then see if they are legitimate complaints), then decide whether the camera is for me
Also, maybe it's me, but the AF sensors look really smashed to the inside - it appears you lose frame coverage from older 45 pt design, or is that just me?
As for the high ISO shots - really guys and gals, these are postage-stamped samples - wait for the real skinny
I'm curious to see how the camera responds to shadow raising and DR in general.
I'm also curious to see how all these new features are going to meld together and if they'll work as advertised.
Had I the cash and desire for such a body, my move would be to wait a few months until the DPR crowd has had it, let them discover every little nit they can (and then see if they are legitimate complaints), then decide whether the camera is for me
Also, maybe it's me, but the AF sensors look really smashed to the inside - it appears you lose frame coverage from older 45 pt design, or is that just me?
Oct 18, 2011 at 03:38 AM
p.16 #10EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
Very bad news..... 
Canon might have finally developed a camera which is pulling at my purse strings already.
If only Servo AF turns out to perform the way I think it should, then I could probably justify the 1DX purchase early.
Canon might have finally developed a camera which is pulling at my purse strings already.
If only Servo AF turns out to perform the way I think it should, then I could probably justify the 1DX purchase early.
Oct 18, 2011 at 03:41 AM
p.16 #11EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
For those who did not read this :
For enhanced power performance, the LP-E4 battery has been redesigned and is named as the LP-E4N. The inside of the battery now uses a larger number of smaller cells and so the battery capacity has increased from 2300mAh to 2450mAh. Because many people will have a collection of LP-E4 batteries from their previous EOS-1 series cameras, they have been made both forwards and backwards compatible, so an LP-E4N can be used in an EOS-1D Mark IV and an LP-E4 can be used in an EOS-1D X.
For enhanced power performance, the LP-E4 battery has been redesigned and is named as the LP-E4N. The inside of the battery now uses a larger number of smaller cells and so the battery capacity has increased from 2300mAh to 2450mAh. Because many people will have a collection of LP-E4 batteries from their previous EOS-1 series cameras, they have been made both forwards and backwards compatible, so an LP-E4N can be used in an EOS-1D Mark IV and an LP-E4 can be used in an EOS-1D X.
Oct 18, 2011 at 03:47 AM
p.16 #12EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
RE the buffer size, here's a demo of continuous fire, looks like he gets 50 large JPG's before filling it up.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/inrsoul/6256207783/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/inrsoul/6256207783/
Oct 18, 2011 at 03:56 AM
p.16 #13EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
Me likes this:
Multiple Exposure Modes
The EOS-1D X is the first EOS Digital SLR to feature Multiple Exposure capability. The camera can combine up to nine individual images into a single composite image, with no need for post-processing in a computer. Four different compositing methods are provided for maximum creative control, including Additive, Average, Bright and Dark. Compositing results can be viewed in real time on the camera's LCD monitor, and there is a one-step Undo command that allows photographers to delete an image and try again if desired. The EOS-1D X's Multiple Exposure mode even allows photographers to specify a previously captured RAW image as the starting point for a new Multiple Exposure composite image.
I said.
Multiple Exposure Modes
The EOS-1D X is the first EOS Digital SLR to feature Multiple Exposure capability. The camera can combine up to nine individual images into a single composite image, with no need for post-processing in a computer. Four different compositing methods are provided for maximum creative control, including Additive, Average, Bright and Dark. Compositing results can be viewed in real time on the camera's LCD monitor, and there is a one-step Undo command that allows photographers to delete an image and try again if desired. The EOS-1D X's Multiple Exposure mode even allows photographers to specify a previously captured RAW image as the starting point for a new Multiple Exposure composite image.
I said.
Oct 18, 2011 at 03:57 AM
p.16 #14EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
that's cool! and very consumer friendly. i like that trend....the backwards compatible battery i mean...and the composite image in camera. wow.
Oct 18, 2011 at 03:59 AM
p.16 #15EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
Regarding high ISO, Canon claim a 2 stop advantage over the 1d4, although it's not clear if that is actual RAW or JPEG using noise reduction.
The 1d4 has a 1.5 stop disadvantage compared with the d3s (according to dxo mark).. which would mean the 1dx is maybe 1/2 stop better than the d3s?
Realistically 1/2 stop is not going to be noticed much, although it may be enough to offset the difference in resolution between the d3s and 1dx. I'll just be happy with d3s level performance. ISO1600 and ISO3200 on that camera are effectively completely noise free.
(not a canon vs. nikon argument point - I'm just trying to get a real world handle on how good it is for high ISO)
Bring it on! I'm already saving for it
The 1d4 has a 1.5 stop disadvantage compared with the d3s (according to dxo mark).. which would mean the 1dx is maybe 1/2 stop better than the d3s?
Realistically 1/2 stop is not going to be noticed much, although it may be enough to offset the difference in resolution between the d3s and 1dx. I'll just be happy with d3s level performance. ISO1600 and ISO3200 on that camera are effectively completely noise free.
(not a canon vs. nikon argument point - I'm just trying to get a real world handle on how good it is for high ISO)
Bring it on! I'm already saving for it
Oct 18, 2011 at 04:02 AM
p.16 #16EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
cputeq wrote:
Also, maybe it's me, but the AF sensors look really smashed to the inside - it appears you lose frame coverage from older 45 pt design, or is that just me?
I wondered that too, but apparently they're wider than the 1d4...
Also, maybe it's me, but the AF sensors look really smashed to the inside - it appears you lose frame coverage from older 45 pt design, or is that just me?
I wondered that too, but apparently they're wider than the 1d4...
Oct 18, 2011 at 04:03 AM
p.16 #17EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
alundeb wrote:
Some more info:
http://cpn.canon-europe.com/content/education/technical/eos_1d_x_explained.do
AF claimed to work down to EV -2, one stop darker than the 1D IV
And 1 stop more at the other end. Should be excellent in low light, addressing the one criticism of the 1D IV.
Some more info:
http://cpn.canon-europe.com/content/education/technical/eos_1d_x_explained.do
AF claimed to work down to EV -2, one stop darker than the 1D IV
And 1 stop more at the other end. Should be excellent in low light, addressing the one criticism of the 1D IV.
Oct 18, 2011 at 04:04 AM
p.16 #19EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
PetKal wrote:
Very bad news.....
Canon might have finally developed a camera which is pulling at my purse strings already.
If only Servo AF turns out to perform the way I think it should, then I could probably justify the 1DX purchase early.
Petal lucky you have the 800L already to go with this pixel challenged beast, although it's still a fair bit better than the 1D II for pixels per loon.
Very bad news.....
Canon might have finally developed a camera which is pulling at my purse strings already.
If only Servo AF turns out to perform the way I think it should, then I could probably justify the 1DX purchase early.
Petal lucky you have the 800L already to go with this pixel challenged beast, although it's still a fair bit better than the 1D II for pixels per loon.
Oct 18, 2011 at 04:06 AM
p.16 #20EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
garyvot wrote:
... Buit in DPP, this is not so easy. CA correction is off by default, and you can't just select all of the thumbnails in a folder and enable it as a batch, because Canon applies its whole set of image corrections together. For example, if you *also* have vignetting correction enabled (the level of which is controlled by a slider), Canon will apply the correction level of the first selected image to the entire set, rather than the "as-shot" correction required by each lens.
Yeah, don't get me started on that one. It's easy to paste recipes but also, there's fact that even using a prime (say the 85 1.2) with some lens corrections via DPP, you have to change the previews to include the ISO so you don't stomp all over a 400 ISO shot, with a copied recipe from say, an adjacent 1600 shot.
This has bugged me for well over two years!
... Buit in DPP, this is not so easy. CA correction is off by default, and you can't just select all of the thumbnails in a folder and enable it as a batch, because Canon applies its whole set of image corrections together. For example, if you *also* have vignetting correction enabled (the level of which is controlled by a slider), Canon will apply the correction level of the first selected image to the entire set, rather than the "as-shot" correction required by each lens.
Yeah, don't get me started on that one. It's easy to paste recipes but also, there's fact that even using a prime (say the 85 1.2) with some lens corrections via DPP, you have to change the previews to include the ISO so you don't stomp all over a 400 ISO shot, with a copied recipe from say, an adjacent 1600 shot.
This has bugged me for well over two years!
Oct 18, 2011 at 04:07 AM