Pedro Claro wrote:
- A long macro 1:1 or a lens able to do from 3:1 to infinity
Something similar to the Canon MP-E 65 might be interesting. I wonder why Nikon doesn't make such a lens. I hear it requires quite a lot of skill to make good use of it though, which makes it a specialistic tool.
Holy crap that a lot of glass. It'll be expensive.
They've now made 14, 24, 35, 85. I hope they make a 50 and a 100 next. I've been dying to get a fast EF mount 90-125mm lens. *I can't afford a 100 ZE, 90/2 APO or OM 90/2.*
plasticmotif wrote:
Holy crap that a lot of glass. It'll be expensive.
They've now made 14, 24, 35, 85. I hope they make a 50 and a 100 next. I've been dying to get a fast EF mount 90-125mm lens. *I can't afford a 100 ZE, 90/2 APO or OM 90/2.*
Have you tried the Canon 100mm f2.0? Not alt, but cheap, fast, and supposed to be very good...
AhamB wrote:
Something similar to the Canon MP-E 65 might be interesting. I wonder why Nikon doesn't make such a lens. I hear it requires quite a lot of skill to make good use of it though, which makes it a specialistic tool.
Working beyond 2:1 is quite challenging and requires lots of practice and patience to achieve good results. It would be a specialistic tool, but I bet most 'serious' macro shooter would pay 400 to 500€ for such a lens instead the approx. 1000€ the MP-E costs - not to mention Nikon, Sony, Pentax, and M43 users that simply don't have any option like the MP-E 65.
The same can be said about the other options I refered to: a 24 Tilt and Shift for, say, 500-600€ (instead of the almost 2000€ of TS-E 24) would be a very tempting lens for many and a 'must have' for any photographer interested in landscapes or cityscapes; a 85 Tilt and Shift allowing a good close-up performance for around the same price would be very interesting for product photographers and many interested in close-up/macro of flowers or mushrooms...
I understand some people would like to have a 135/2 (wouldn't bet on a 135/1.8), but most OEM have similar offerings for reasonable prices - I sold my 135L for 750€, for instance, which is not exactly out of reach of most 'serious' amateurs. Maybe there are other 'markets' to explore, like TS and other 'specialty lenses' - for the right price, these could raise some interest and become more mainstream equipment. Most people won't buy a 2000€ specialy item unless he/she really needs it, but maybe for 400-500€ they will. Most people won't buy a 1200€ 35/1.4 or a 1800€ 85/1.2, but many would consider a 350€ 35/1.4 or a 300€ 85/1.4 and some of them would even buy one of them - or even both.
This lens should sell well depending on price of course.
Comparing it to my Nikon 24/1.4G, the Samy is 95mm long and the Nikon is 88.5mm.
Both are 77mm filter size.
The Samy has 14 elements in 12 groups with 2 Asph elements and 4 ED elements.
The Nikon has 12 elements in 10 groups with 2 Asph elements and 2 ED elements.
Should be very interesting comparing it to the Canon and Nikon 24/1.4's.
Too bad Zeiss chickened out with their new ZA 24/2 and soon to come out ZE 25/2.
I am still waiting for the new NEX 7 to put my 24/1.4G on it for low-light indoor/night shooting, since I can afford one of those M9's but I could see people using this Samy too although it is a little longer.
Samy is sure cranking out the new lens designs!
I'd happily sell my MP-E if Samyang would come up with something similiar. After all from i've heard it's just a regular lens construction mounted backwards on a expanding barrell. Although i love my MP-E, it's just too ridicuously expensive for what it really offers. I payed nearly 1200 euros for it.
Though i bet Samyang will introduce a tilt-shift lens next. There's already been a buzz about it on their facebook wall a couple months back.
lacksative wrote:
After all from i've heard it's just a regular lens construction mounted backwards on a expanding barrell..
I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. The MPE 65 was designed to be used exactly the way it is--it's not like they took a stock 65mm lens, flipped it backwards, and stuck a telescopic extension tube on the back so they could squeeze an easy grand or two out of people looking for a high mag lens.
obik wrote:
I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. The MPE 65 was designed to be used exactly the way it is--it's not like they took a stock 65mm lens, flipped it backwards, and stuck a telescopic extension tube on the back so they could squeeze an easy grand or two out of people looking for a high mag lens.
If you compare a 100mm f/2.8 macro lens and the MP-E macro from their lens diagrams it sure seems like the MP-E is just a regular construction build in reverse to achieve a bigger magnification.... but this conversation doesn't really belong in this conversation, so let's continue this on a new thread if you want to.
I'll give this one a very good look when it's released. If it's anywhere near their other offerings I'd guess I'd have to get it.
Also quite "unusual" aspherics in this one. A bit like the one in the Fuji X100. Anyone know why most aspheric lenses for general photography are relatively "mild" in that the shapes still more or less resembles a spherical segment, maybe being a paraboloid? Is it in lens design software or limited interpolator for the cnc mill for the molds?
gpop wrote:
good lens, imo.
very very close to the ef 85/1.8
You mean, optically better and 2/3rds of a stop faster than the 85/1.8, but without autofocus so a bit cheaper to make up for it.
This lens is just what I wanted, but it looks expensive from that diagram. I'm hoping for at least as good of a performance as the 35 or 85, maybe even as good as the 14.
Close-up functionality would be cool, but I'm not seeing it.
Can't wait for a ~125 (I'm thinking F2.5 or faster, preferably with some awesome 1:1 or higher magnification), 50 (1.2 and you're gold, but an optically superb 1.3 or 1.4 is fine), and maybe even longer from them.
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I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. The MPE 65 was designed to be used exactly the way it is--it's not like they took a stock 65mm lens, flipped it backwards, and stuck a telescopic extension tube on the back so they could squeeze an easy grand or two out of people looking for a high mag lens.
Sp12 wrote:
That's exactly what it is. No seriously.
No, that's not what it is.
It's an inverted 65mm lens, but it is not a stock lens used backwards, it is not a stock design used backwards, and it is not a repurposed anything. It is a lens that was designed to be used exactly the way it is presented, not some half-assed franken-lens they whipped up over lunch one day.
It's an inverted 65mm lens, but it is not a stock lens used backwards, it is not a stock design used backwards, and it is not a repurposed anything. It is a lens that was designed to be used exactly the way it is presented, not some half-assed franken-lens they whipped up over lunch one day.
........? That seems a bit pendantic. It's a very simple design that's very successful, and as a mass-produced lens (from any manufacturer) obviously had quite a bit of thought and planning put into it. The optical design is exactly that -- a flipped lens on tubes. I'm pretty sure there wasn't heavy R&D nor exotica glass usage for the design, and it should be easy for Samyang to make their own. I seriously want to invest in Samyang stock.
Of course, you can use a lot of lenses in a very similar manner already -- one of my favorites is the Takumar 28/3.5 backwards.
Re: post 2 directly above, I had you hidden until ~5 minutes ago, so that's why I missed that. I tend not to read quotes in responses :S
Sp12 wrote:
........? That seems a bit pendantic. It's a very simple design that's very successful, and as a mass-produced lens (from any manufacturer) obviously had quite a bit of thought and planning put into it. The optical design is exactly that -- a flipped lens on tubes. I'm pretty sure there wasn't heavy R&D nor exotica glass usage for the design, and it should be easy for Samyang to make their own. I seriously want to invest in Samyang stock.
Of course, you can use a lot of lenses in a very similar manner already -- one of my favorites is the Takumar 28/3.5 backwards.
Re: post 2 directly above, I had you hidden until ~5 minutes ago, so that's why I missed that. I tend not to read quotes in responses :S...Show more →
No heavy R&D? If you look at 100% crops from it is crazy sharp at macros distances. What else is sharper? And it's not like a forward facing 65mm lens just pops into existence, at high quality, without heavy R&D....
MP-E is very rarely tack sharp in anything other than Mtf tests. Real world usage usually is with diffraction limited apertures where any lens consruction would suffice.
