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Archive 2011 · Got my EP3

  
 
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WOW. I got my EP3 Friday night, and it's an awesome little camera.

Single-shot AF with the kit lens (14-42/3.5-5.6) is as fast as my 5D2 with my 24-70/2.8. Maybe a little faster. I think the 5D2 is a little better in very low light (I have yet to shoot them side-by-side to test), but considering the EP3 is using an f/5.6 lens and the 5D2 is using an f/2.8 lens I wouldn't put much in the difference. I don't mean to spout hyperbole, but I think CDAF has finally matched PDAF, at least for focusing on static subjects.

The new body is about the same as my EP1. The removable grip is nice, but I found myself wishing for a pistol grip when shooting with my 100-300. The increased button configurability is nice. The biggest annoyance is the useless EC button. I wish I could configure it to control ISO, rather than giving up the more-useful shooting mode (single/continuous/timer) button.

The Digital TC feature is very nice. When shooting JPEG it's a 2x crop to the camera. But when shooting RAW it does nothing to the image. Why is that useful? Because the viewfinder is cropped 2x, while the shot comes out normal! You might think that the various manual focus assist systems in Oly and Panny cameras do this job already, but this is better, IMHO. I press the Fn2 button on the camera and the view instantly pops in to a 2x center crop. I can shoot like this if I like. I press it again and the view instantly pops back out to the full frame. This is much faster than the automatic zoom in and out when turning the focus dial, but it's one button press less to operate than the normal manual magnified view.

The same hands-off approach is taken with the image when shooting non-4:3 ratio shots, if you're shooting RAW. Set the camera to 3:2 and the RAW file is untouched (I expect it tags metadata in the file indicating the crop?), but the viewfinder is cropped to your chosen frame. You can even see a bounding box in the LCD review; the image shown is 4:3, but there's a white box around the 3:2 frame. The GH1/2's multi-aspect sensor is cool, but this is just as good, IMHO; you're not throwing away pixels by shooting at 3:2. You just get the framing aid of an LCD or EVF with the aspect ratio you want.

The LCD is considerably brighter than my EP1. The EP1 was marginal outdoors; usable but it made me long for my iPhone's screen. The EP3 is much brighter. Its only downside is when shooting vertically and down, the LCD glass picks up the sky and shows some glare. If you position yourself to look at the LCD straight on this isn't a problem, but if you're off angle (hold the camera at arm's length and point it down) it can be hard to see the LCD. Still, I found the EP3 much more usable outdoors than my EP1.

All that said, for me the touch screen AF is the main attraction (and I thought I wouldn't like it!). The combination of touch-to-shoot, lightning-fast single-shot AF, and a sensitive capacitive touch screen make it dramatically faster to shoot than a focus-and-recompose or manual focus camera, for some types of shooting. This feature makes the camera a must-have for me.

Shooting people with the touch screen is a joy. Frame the photo and wait for "the moment". When it comes, touch the part of the frame you want in focus. This is great for my infant daughter, who tends to move around a lot in the frame as I'm waiting for the shot. With my 5D2 I have to continuously refocus as she moves, until the moment I shoot. (This is made all the more difficult because the off-center AF points on the 5D2 are junk in low light.) I've miseed more than a few perfect shots due to her movement or not being focused in time.

Shooting subject with highly off-center focus points is great with the touch screen. I shot a low-angle shot of some prairie flowers yesterday, which normally takes me a few frames as the plants sway back and forth in the breeze. With the touch screen I could simply frame the shot and tap on the plant. The AF point is exactly where I press and AF is so fast that the plants have no chance to move OOF.

I also found some bumblebees yesterday. Normally with my 5D2+100/2.8+MT24EX I try to watch for a pattern in movement to predict the plant they might end up on next, AF on that plant, then wait for the bee to come to the plant and quickly move the camera in and out to get critical focus. That or I rely on either the AF of my 100/2.8 (which is slow at close distances) or attempt to manually focus (doable, but I miss a lot when forced to do it in less than a second). The EP3's touch screen made this task easier. I set the focus distance to the point where a typical flower filled the frame as I liked, then I followed the bees around with my camera. As long as I kept the bee in frame, I'd tap on him repeatedly and shot after shot came out great. I would definitely use a tele macro lens for this kind of shooting, but the camera does a GREAT job.

The one area the touch screen WASN'T useful was shooting wildlife. Not because I had to hold the camera in a wobbly way to use the rear LCD, or because the touch screen created vibration, but because I had a heck of a time finding my subjects at 600mm-e! Using an SLR I can normally find subjects at 640mm-e with no problems just looking "down the boresight". I have fair luck at 960mm-e (300*2*1.6 crop). It's not until 1344mm-e (300*2*1.4*1.6 crop) that I become hopeless. But without the ability to look down the boresight on the EP3 I have a much more difficult time aiming the camera properly at long focal lengths. More difficulty than I had at 960mm-e with an OVF, I'd say. Now the zoom on my 100-300 helps greatly with this, but it slows me down. I hope the VF-2 I have coming in the mail will solve this problem, because the EP3+100-300 combo seems very nice otherwise.

Overall I'm extremely happy with this camera. My DSLRs do a few things better (high ISO noise, super-short DOF, AF tracking, macro hardware), but after just one day's shooting with the EP3 I already prefer using it over my DSLRs.



Jul 24, 2011 at 10:01 AM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Got my EP3


The E-P3 looks great. I wouldn't be surprised if the E-P3 kicks your DSLR's butt in single shot AF in all instances...I know my GH2 does against my 1Ds II, especially in low light. I know exactly what you mean about preferring to use it. I have had so much fun with my GH2 (I also own an E-P1, but the AF lag isn't fun on that camera)...I've gotten much better shots this year than last just because I can take a pretty full kit pretty much anywhere and not have to worry about weight or size. It's wonderful! If I were a sports or wedding photographer or something, I'd need the better focus tracking of a DSLR, but for what I shoot, I love these tiny bodies and tiny lenses.


Jul 24, 2011 at 10:26 AM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · Got my EP3


That's great to hear. You're only reinforcing my decision to get it. I just wonder if the touch-AF does not cause any camera shake. Do you hold it with one hand, like a P&S or with two, like a DSLR?

BTW, where did you buy it from? B&H and Adorama don't have it in stock.

Happy shooting,
Yakim.



Jul 24, 2011 at 11:14 AM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Got my EP3


I'd be interested to see a GH2 or G3 versus the new Olympus "3" model AF test. I don't know which is faster, cause the only Panasonic body I've used is the GH1. I agree about the getting better shots... My entire M43 kit is lighter than my old 300/2.8IS. I go out with a full bag much more often than I used to because my bag doesn't kill my shoulder anymore.

Yakim, I didn't notice any shots yet with touch AF that had hand shake (finger shake?). Using it I can see that it could definitely cause it, but the amount of pressure you have to use is so light that I think you could train yourself to avoid too much movement.

I bought mine at J&R. When I buy stuff the day it comes out I always go with them because they seem to have stock first and ship quickly. I ordered it as soon as it hit their web site... I'm sure I got the first shipment. Looks like they're heavily back-ordered now, however:

http://www.jr.com/olympus/pe/OLM_EP3BLKKIT/



Jul 24, 2011 at 07:53 PM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · Got my EP3


17th Photo is showing black E-P3 kits in stock

http://www.17photo.com/SearchResult.aspx?KeyWord=e-p3



Jul 25, 2011 at 06:07 AM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · Got my EP3


Any comparison between the ep3+olympus evf vs gh2 ? I think gh2 has the better sensor and olympus has is better dust removal but beyond that I know little about how the camera compare. Basically I'm shopping early for a camera in 6-8 months. Also considering the sony but I think olympus/panasonic has better lens selection (esp with the new primes that will be available soon).


Jul 25, 2011 at 06:45 AM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · Got my EP3


Yeah, I would love someone to eventually post an extensive shoot out between the GH2, EP3, and G3.


Jul 25, 2011 at 12:42 PM
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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · Got my EP3


Travelinbri wrote:
Yeah, I would love someone to eventually post an extensive shoot out between the GH2, EP3, and G3.


I think IQ between them really isn't a very good deciding factor because they are otherwise such different cameras. Subtle differences sure, but buying one or the other based upon IQ seems rather foolish when the overall design is so different.

If you do a lot of tripod work the GH2 makes way more sense because of its excellent flip out LCD which makes composition much easier.

If you prefer a EVF then its a factor of if you prefer it built in or if you want the added VF2 on the PEN, and of course there is no auto switching etc.

GH2 is certainly the champ when it comes to video

PEN has the clear advantage in the IBIS which helps a lot with native primes. If you shoot zooms more of a toss up as the Panny zooms all have a good IS system.

Also in regards to zooms, what one plans on buying makes a big difference. If you really want a 100-300 zoom, the GH2 with its dslr styled grip balances much better with the larger/longer glass. Awkward on the PEN to be frank. But, if your prefer just a couple of smaller lenses, then the PEN works fine and has the smaller form factor and better looks.

IQ is important sure, but if the camera doesn't ergonomically work with how you shoot, doesn't feel right in your hand etc, IQ is meaningless because your not going to want to take pictures with it



Jul 25, 2011 at 01:31 PM
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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · Got my EP3


Kits, kits, kits. When will be able to buy only the body?

Happy shooting,
Yakim.



Jul 25, 2011 at 01:39 PM
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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · Got my EP3


Thanks for you comments! When you get to use it more I'll be interested in how much better the IQ is over your E-P1 one... at the moment I'm thinking of sticking with my E-P1 until maybe the E-P4 comes out since I'm happy with the E-P1 all around.


Jul 25, 2011 at 03:10 PM
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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · Got my EP3


Thanks for all the great info but shouldn't there be some pictures?


Jul 25, 2011 at 03:23 PM
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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · Got my EP3


tomrock wrote:
Thanks for all the great info but shouldn't there be some pictures?



Agree! i think its time for me to sell my gf1 but i want some samples first!



Jul 25, 2011 at 03:38 PM
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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · Got my EP3


boogerschnot wrote:
Agree! i think its time for me to sell my gf1 but i want some samples first!




I think DPR, Photography Blog and all the other sites have plenty of full rez images you can download



Jul 25, 2011 at 03:39 PM
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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · Got my EP3


Thanks for the suggestion but I'd still like to see some pictures from a real user.


Jul 25, 2011 at 06:15 PM
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tomrock wrote:
Thanks for the suggestion but I'd still like to see some pictures from a real user.


May I ask why don't you consider testers as real users? I mean, do they take pictures differently?

Happy shooting,
Yakim.



Jul 26, 2011 at 02:26 AM
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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · Got my EP3


i have a great idea. let's argue semiotic minutiae.


Jul 26, 2011 at 02:47 AM
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Yakim Peled wrote:
May I ask why don't you consider testers as real users? I mean, do they take pictures differently?


I believe it was said on this forum that the sample pictures often seen on dpreview can make any lens look bad. I tend to agree with that -- I have not really seen a single picture in their sample pics that impressed me.



Jul 26, 2011 at 04:34 AM
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p.1 #18 · p.1 #18 · Got my EP3


Has anyone used both the olympus evf and gh2 ? If so can you compare them for usage both indoors and out when manually focusing ?


Jul 26, 2011 at 07:36 AM
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p.1 #19 · p.1 #19 · Got my EP3


I have both and give the win (just) to the VF2 because the Olympus gives a better indication of exposure compensation through the viewfinder. Image quality is similar but a slight edge to the Olympus as far as smearing goes. However I still use the GH2 more, so the viewfinder won't be the deciding factor in your purchase. Both are excellent.

Gordon



Jul 26, 2011 at 04:23 PM
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We need some images here from the EP-3!!!!


Jul 26, 2011 at 05:37 PM
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