douglasf13 wrote:
Either way, I don't believe there to be an incident angle light ray advantage to CCD. See this: Link
indeed CCD has a number of advantages, but i've never heard anybody involved in the industry claim that it has any significant inherent advantage in angle of incidence.
Unfortunately, I agree with the claims that eventually the P+S market will be overtaken by smartphones. Then, the dedicated camera market will start off with entry level DSLRs. I think that many people would rather have a basic DSLR rather than a EVIL solely for the fact that it looks more "professional."
I would definitely like to try an EVIL someday.
As for full frame, one would expect that since it is more than a decade since FF sensors first came out in cameras, the price would be more suitable for consumer use. I mean, we need something revolutionary along the lines of the 300d, where they push the FF sensor out under a thousand.
Well, Sony did release the A850 for under $2k, and it was only on the market less than 2 years.
Don't get me wrong, I'd love a 135 EVIL to use with my rangefinder lenses, but I have a hard time imagining one of the big Japanese companies making such a camera for us to buy for someone else's lenses, and using current DSLR lenses on a smaller EVIL camera largely defeats the size purpose. I have a strong feeling that APS-C and smaller is where the big manufacturers are finding the EVIL sweetspot between cost, price and size.
sebboh wrote:
i think you guys are operating under the mistaken impression that this camera is somehow aimed at you or that you represent a large chunk of the buying public. this camera is aimed at people for whom µ4/3, NEX, and NX are too big.
Bifurcator wrote:
I understand where you're coming from but I kinda think there's no one there. That demographic is so small it can almost be counted on a person's toes and fingers. My guess would be that it's aimed at the mindless sheep who don't know and don't care what a sensor is. They buy on the brand:budget ratio almost exclusively. These types of clickers (should we take the leap and call them photographers?) probably represent 70 or 80% of the camera buying public. I guess that's who this camera is aimed at. Size? No it has a detachable lens system so it won't be significantly smaller than something like the GF3 - which is already too small to actually use, and of course it will be a giant compared to the last few rounds of P&S offerings - some of which are barely larger than my thumb, sport super-zoom ratios, are waterproof, shock-proof, and actually take damn nice pictures - as much as I hate to admit it.
So IMO Nikon's mirrorless design will be winning some of the Sheeple's Choice awards soon after it's released but almost no one in-the-know will buy it cuz it smaller than m4/3 or because m4/3 is too big.
But hey, what do I know, I called myself crazy the day I awoke to find everyone roaming the streets with portable telephones pressed against their heads, which caused me to question the very fabric of my reality. 10 years later I still can not believe it's real. ...Show more → sebboh wrote:
indeed, if you don't understand the appeal of small cell phones or cell phones at all, i certainly wouldn't take your advice on what will sell well in the consumer electronics industry. the sheep demographic is the most prized demographic. nobody wants to sell things to people who depend on the product being good - that would require making a good product, which is hard.
So you wouldn't take my advice but you just did anyway? Hehee.
blackbird3216 wrote:
Unfortunately, I agree with the claims that eventually the P+S market will be overtaken by smartphones. Then, the dedicated camera market will start off with entry level DSLRs. I think that many people would rather have a basic DSLR rather than a EVIL solely for the fact that it looks more "professional."
I would definitely like to try an EVIL someday.
As for full frame, one would expect that since it is more than a decade since FF sensors first came out in cameras, the price would be more suitable for consumer use. I mean, we need something revolutionary along the lines of the 300d, where they push the FF sensor out under a thousand. ...Show more →
i suspect when phones replace p&s cameras, mirrorless cameras will replace entry level dslrs, and the only dslrs remaining will be pro and prosumer grade (there will probably also be mirrorless in that category. i think it's mostly prosumer buyers that want to look professional. most people seem to think dslrs look pretty 'dorky'. also, i believe a recent survey found professional photographer to be one of the least desirable professions around.
as far as reasonably priced FF cameras, i think we've got a while to wait unfortunately. after sony's results with the a850, i think they might have decided it's not a worthwhile goal.
Bifurcator wrote:
So you wouldn't take my advice but you just did anyway? Hehee.
BTW, I do understand it. I just can't believe it!
not taking your advice, that's pretty much what i said earlier. i already know we have nearly opposite views about what manufacturers should be making, we just agree for the most part about what they are doing.
The Samsung prototype camera that is propped up on its side in this pic would probably do very well, whether it be an aps-c sensor or larger...especially if there was an evf option.
That little square camera is very neat-looking. It looks like it has a fold-out flip-up screen on the back, which is a clever design here. I would love for them to release a FF or APS-C camera looking like that!
So it looks like this could start to get interesting. http://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/samsung-nx200-with-built-in-evf/ As we all know Sony will announce the NEX_7 with built-in Viewfinder by end of August.
And it looks like they will be NOT the only one doing so!
According to the leaked information (in Chinese forums) the NX will also have a built-in OLED viewfinder!
It has a radical new design, handling and styling.
We expect the NX200 to be announced in September!!!
EOS20 wrote:
I would like to see the Leica and Hasselblad style bodies introduced. Maybe they could add a EVF to the Hasselblad style body similar to this:
That is a film Minox, and probably costs somewhere around 200 Euro. There are also some Leica M-like digital versions for about the same. The M is way too thick though, otherwise I might have bought one as a gag, or for my daughter to play with.
An EVF like that does nothing for me,
what I'd like is a high rez OLED/lcd... where the focus screen is,
but also have the shade screens to block the sun from the display if needed.
And make it a mirrorless live view design. http://www.patricktaylor.com/uploads/dclassiccamera1.jpg
LightShow wrote:
An EVF like that does nothing for me,
what I'd like is a high rez OLED/lcd... where the focus screen is,
but also have the shade screens to block the sun from the display if needed.
And make it a mirrorless live view design. http://www.patricktaylor.com/uploads/dclassiccamera1.jpg
Have you used one for any length of time? Once you get the hang of composition with the square frame, it is really something special. Took me a while, and I haven't used one much lately, but there is still something really special about it, and it kicksass for some things.
carstenw wrote:
Have you used one for any length of time? Once you get the hang of composition with the square frame, it is really something special. Took me a while, and I haven't used one much lately, but there is still something really special about it, and it kicksass for some things.
never used one, what does a square body have to do with composing with a square frame (many digital cameras allow you compose with a square frame and i quite enjoy that). i was curious what the ergonomic advantages are, as the square body looks very unergonomic to me for either waist level or eye level use.
Square bodies are surprisingly ergonomic for waist level shooting. You hold the camera in your left palm with left index finger on the shutter and focus with the right hand.
Hmm. I don't know, there is no inherent advantage in the square body, I suppose, other than it fits the square format rather well for film. I quite like it, but this is just a quirk of my personality.
the sheep demographic is the most prized demographic. nobody wants to sell things to people who depend on the product being good - that would require making a good product, which is hard.
