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p.1 #1 · Orlit Rovelight RT 610 Mini-Review


So I recently picked up one of these babies: ORLIT RoveLight RT 610 HSS TTL Monolight, which is a budget Profoto B1 competitor, and Godox AD600 alternative with some interesting options. I've submitted a review to Adorama, and I think it's awaiting approval, so I'll paraphrase myself and add some additional color here-

I've been using rented B1's recently, because as much as they're obviously fantastic lights, I'm not spending $2k/each on something like that (as a semi-serious hobbyist/former part-time pro who is now exclusively in this for fun). The color consistency of the B1 is well-known by this point, as is the lack of color consistency on the Godox. While that may seem like an easy thing to deal with in post, when you have a few of these lights in use and each shot from each light can be off by a few hundred Kelvin, you can quickly find yourself in an inadvertent "mixed lighting" scenario, thereby complicating your workflow. So, no Godox for me.

I've been checking Adorama's pre-order page almost daily for the Orlit RT 610 since it was announced about a month ago, which was annoying since their reps had no idea when it would actually be in stock as of last week. On Tuesday it finally came into stock, and I ordered mine and picked it up from the store the next day. Thursday, I had a shoot scheduled, and figured I'd give it a try.

The Orlit (which is a rebadged Jinbei, with the addition of a US warranty serviced by Adorama as well as Canon RT radio system compatibility) comes in what can best be described as an "early '90's laptop case". Not as stylish as the admittedly-pretty retail box, but well-enough made, with room for some basic accessories. For $700, you get the light, the case, 1 battery (which, by the way, lasts twice as long as the one in the B1 and costs half as much), the charger, a standard reflector, and a Canon or Nikon TTL transmitter. I'm on Canon these days, so that's where I ended up.

Using the bundled transmitter (which seemed counterintuitive to me, after being perhaps too used to the ST-E3-style UI), I was able to get the Orlit working fine with TTL and HSS on my 5D Mk II. I did not get a chance to check how this works in practice with my Canon Speedlights, but it's theoretically supported (though anything Yongnuo may be a little flaky at this stage, I've read). In my 600 shot outdoor session (using HSS for a very small part of it, and the flash running at about 4/10 power), the battery (which shipped fully-charged, in my case) still had about 3/4 power to go by the end. While tough to gauge with an outdoor shoot, color looks very consistent- the Orlit is rated pretty well in this area per the official specs, and I have no reason to doubt that at this point. I used manual mode, with the exception of a very quick TTL test, but that seemed to work just fine.

I'm sure that the Profoto fan club (of which I still count myself a member, despite being a cheapskate) will question the build quality of the Orlit. In the long term, that's still unproven, of course. It's nice that the flash tube is user-replaceable on the Orlit, and I'd rate a Bowens mount pretty even with a Profoto mount in terms of available accessories (with various adapters in play) at this point. Being able to use my Canon Speedlights with the same radio system as my monolights will definitely be a game-changer for the way I do location work. Meanwhile, back to build quality- because I am an idiot, I didn't weight my light stand down sufficiently (turns out that putting a 5+ pound monolight in the air at the top of a stand makes it a bit more, um, tippy than most lights, even with a couple of sandbags), and a rogue gust of seaside wind took down my hour-old light from about 5' up, crashing it into the concrete. Once my immediate panic subsided, I took stock of the situation- the umbrella that I was using was fairly mangled, the battery had popped off the Orlit, and the standard reflector was bent into a bit of a crescent. I straightened the supports for the umbrella, bent the reflector back into shape, put the battery back on the Orlit, and apart from a little road rash on the robust plastic side of the monolight, it's fine.

Barring anything going wrong in the immediate future, I'm planning to get another Orlit RT 610. It was worth the wait, and I'm excited to see how the system evolves (with a better radio trigger, and a compatible phone app for, say, saving lighting presets coming this summer, I expect my chief complaint to be solved). Yongnuo are allegedly working on firmware fixes to improve their compatibility (per the comments on the Orlit thread on FlashHavoc), so that's one other thing to watch. Meanwhile, unless you're heavily invested in the Profoto system already, I'd say that the Orlit is worth a look. 5/5 stars in my book.



Feb 26, 2017 at 01:43 AM
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p.1 #2 · Orlit Rovelight RT 610 Mini-Review


I have a Rovelight and the Rovelight Xplor.
The extra .2 quicker recycle of this unit over the Xplor looks nice but the Xplor has extension heads (600W and 1200W) that are really useful.



Feb 26, 2017 at 05:26 PM
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p.1 #3 · Orlit Rovelight RT 610 Mini-Review


Good point on the extension heads, for those that need them. The Xplor is a rebadged Godox AD600, and quite well regarded as a credible B1 alternative.


Feb 27, 2017 at 01:18 AM
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p.1 #4 · Orlit Rovelight RT 610 Mini-Review


I also just received an Orlit Rovelight and did a quick test (hardly scientific) with a Profoto B1 & Canon 600EX-RT for color temperature vs power by shooting a white background and click balancing the images in Lightroom. The B1 is consistent over 6 stops from 1/1 to 1/32 and the Orlit color is consistant over 4 stops. It seems like the one thing I was looking forward to, using the Orlit with my Canon speedlights, may be the deal breaker unless it's possible to correct one or the other with a gel. Sounds iffy to me.

power Orlit B1 Canon 600EX-RT
1/1 5450 5850 6300
1/2 5400 5850 6550
1/4 5350 5900 6650
1/8 5450 5900 6650
1/16 5150 5850 6650
1/32 5200 5850 6550
1/64 5000 5750 6450
1/128 4950 5500 6200
1/256 5200



Feb 27, 2017 at 04:19 PM
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p.1 #5 · Orlit Rovelight RT 610 Mini-Review


Appreciate the info. Color temp is the only reason I've been considering anything other than the Xplor and this seems… moderately disappointing.


Feb 27, 2017 at 11:47 PM
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I've been using the Orlit RT 610 with a Canon 5D Mark IV and a Canon ST-E3-RT transmitter. The Orlit RT 610 frequently loses the link with the ST-E3-RT transmitter and I have to power everything down and restart to reestablish the link. Sometime I have to do that several times to reestablish the link. It not only loses the link to the ST-E3-RT transmitter, the output is sometimes unpredictable, especially in ETTL mode, but sometimes even in manual flash mode. Sometimes it will start popping at full power and the only way I can get it to stop doing that is to power everything off, including the camera and ST-E3-RT transmitter. ETTL mode is pretty much totally unusable, with horrible over exposures almost all the time

The Orlit RT 610 will also not work in group mode and ETTL with the ST-E3-RT transmitter. The only way I can use group mode is in manual mode.I got the V1 firmware update but that did not solve the problem. So I sent the Orlit RT 610 back and got a new one with firmware V2, and it is no better.I wonder if this has anything to do with the fact that I am using a Canon 5D4, because my Yongnuo transmitter will not work with the 5D4? I tried my Canon 5DsR briefly yesterday and I was able to use group mode and ETTL with the ST-E3-RT transmitter.




Aug 04, 2017 at 12:58 PM
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Which firmware version do you have in the 5DIV? I wonder if, assuming you did, updating to the most recent version broke something? Or if the 610 hasn't ever worked reliably with the 5DIV, if updating to the most recent firmware version might improve the matter?

This is one of the things that is always in the back of my mind with these 3rd party reverse engineered systems. Whether it's AF or flash communications... chances are reasonable that they'll never work as reliably as Canon's own gear. As someone shooting with the 1DX and 1DXII, my impression is this is even more a possibility than the more popular camera models.

I've been eyeing the Orlit RTs as a possible event strobe solution, but this isn't reassuring. Already Canon's own RT gear can be flaky and I've had to reset multi-Speedlite set-ups mid-event before and was not at all happy. Right now leaning towards a 'dumb' strobe system for purely manual output. If I don't stick with my existing Quadras for this scenario, then the Godox AD200 and 600 are looking more and more appealing. I can trigger them in conjunction with on-camera or remote Canon Speedlites using the Phottix Laso remotes operating on Canon's RT network, which would be good enough. I'd control output remotely with their X32 trigger and just keep it in a pocket for quick access. This is basically what I'm already doing with my Elinchrom Quadras and the Skyport remote, but triggering them with the Canon RT system and Laso remotes.



Aug 07, 2017 at 07:30 PM
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rscheffler wrote:
Which firmware version do you have in the 5DIV? I wonder if, assuming you did, updating to the most recent version broke something? Or if the 610 hasn't ever worked reliably with the 5DIV, if updating to the most recent firmware version might improve the matter?

This is one of the things that is always in the back of my mind with these 3rd party reverse engineered systems. Whether it's AF or flash communications... chances are reasonable that they'll never work as reliably as Canon's own gear. As someone shooting with the 1DX and 1DXII, my impression is this is even
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Thank you for the feedback! I am still using the 1.03 firmware in my 5DIV. I thought I had upgraded it to the latest V 1.04 but I guess not. I should've tried that but I have my doubts about whether it would have helped. My second Orlit 610 stopped working completely before I got a chance to explore all options. I regrettably returned it for refund, even though I would really like to have one that actually works as advertised.

I wonder if all Canon DSLR's released after the 5DIV have problems with third party flash systems?



Aug 08, 2017 at 06:07 PM
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p.1 #9 · Orlit Rovelight RT 610 Mini-Review


There's apparently a new firmware (v3) for the Orlit 610, which I haven't tried yet. Adorama doesn't seem to have release notes online, so I'm not entirely sure what it entails.. but, maybe that would help some of the compatibility woes.


Sep 04, 2017 at 07:48 PM
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clonardo wrote:
There's apparently a new firmware (v3) for the Orlit 610, which I haven't tried yet. Adorama doesn't seem to have release notes online, so I'm not entirely sure what it entails.. but, maybe that would help some of the compatibility woes.

Where did you find the v3 firmware?




Sep 05, 2017 at 05:06 AM
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p.1 #11 · Orlit Rovelight RT 610 Mini-Review


https://www.adorama.com/g/orlit-download-page dated August 2017


Sep 05, 2017 at 12:27 PM
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clonardo wrote:
https://www.adorama.com/g/orlit-download-page dated August 2017


Thank you very much! How did you find out about the update? I would like to know how to keep up to date.

Is three any information available about what the update addresses?

Thanks again!






Sep 09, 2017 at 07:48 AM
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KatManDEW wrote:
Thank you very much! How did you find out about the update? I would like to know how to keep up to date.

Is three any information available about what the update addresses?

Thanks again!



Well, the Adorama page for Orlit is fairly useless: https://www.adorama.com/g/orlit teases the upcoming products (some of which have been in pre-order status for months with no updates), and not much else. The linked Orlit support page ( https://www.adorama.com/g/orlit-support ) doesn't have much info either, and apart from using Google to find the downloads page (the one I linked in my earlier post), I'm not sure how to get to it.

Unfortunately, the downloads are all just for binary files, with no release notes, so I have very little sense of what's in these updates. I just happened to check to see if there was an update available when I came across the v3 firmware for the RT 610- I'm not aware of a mailing list or anything.

In the past, I've found pertinent info on shipping dates and firmware in the comments on FlashHavoc and by desperately Googling. In case it's not clear from the tone of this post, while I generally like the lights, Adorama/Orlit support is generally frustrating from a user perspective. While Helen Oster and others are very responsive to questions posted here and elsewhere, relying on forums and comment threads feels like a half-baked support model.

If anyone from Adorama is reading this, please just put the info on the Orlit site and make it somewhat transparent about what I'm about to flash onto my fancy new lights, as I try not to make it a habit of trusting poorly-described binaries that I found on the Internet. The lack of transparency on pre-orders (e.g., the Orlit lights that have been in pre-order status since May) and support (e.g., the fact that I cannot find any info on what the v3 firmware update actually entails) undermines my ability to trust the $1200 of Orlit products that I've purchased and makes me less likely to invest more in the system.



Sep 09, 2017 at 06:33 PM
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clonardo wrote:
Well, the Adorama page for Orlit is fairly useless: https://www.adorama.com/g/orlit

Adorama/Orlit support is generally frustrating from a user perspective. While Helen Oster and others are very responsive to questions posted here and elsewhere, relying on forums and comment threads feels like a half-baked support model.


clonardo wrote:
If anyone from Adorama is reading this, please just put the info on the Orlit site and make it somewhat transparent about what I'm about to flash onto my fancy new lights, as I try not to make it a habit of trusting poorly-described binaries that I found on the Internet. The lack of transparency on pre-orders (e.g., the Orlit lights that have been in pre-order status since May) and support (e.g., the fact that I cannot find any info on what the v3 firmware update actually entails) undermines my ability to trust the $1200 of Orlit products that I've
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Got it - [and ouch.....]

Have passed on to the Flashpoint support Team and will feed back here asap

BTW Firmware updates for Orlit products are available here:
https://www.adorama.com/g/orlit-download-page


Firmware updates for Flashpoint R1 and R2 products are available here:
http://www.adorama.com/g/flashpoint_firmware_download

NEW Video Guides To Using R2 Strobes And Radios NEW
https://goo.gl/wgioys



Sep 11, 2017 at 06:19 AM
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Helen Oster wrote:
Got it - [and ouch.....]

Have passed on to the Flashpoint support Team and will feed back here asap

BTW Firmware updates for Orlit products are available here:
https://www.adorama.com/g/orlit-download-page


Firmware updates for Flashpoint R1 and R2 products are available here:
http://www.adorama.com/g/flashpoint_firmware_download

NEW Video Guides To Using R2 Strobes And Radios NEW
https://goo.gl/wgioys


Thanks, Helen- you're a great help on these boards.



Sep 11, 2017 at 03:14 PM
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Just got my RT 610 and TR-Q6c transmitter package. During a quick test, TR-Q6c transmitter worked with both Orlit RT 610 and my Yongnuo YN686EX-RT Speedlite in TTL mode. Unfortunately, there was a "pop" and smoke came out near the light bulb area of RT 610. Waiting for Customer Service to provide instruction for return/exchange.

Just want to share the good news on Orlit transmitter compatibility with Yongnuo Speedlite...and unreliability of Orlit RT 610.



Edited on Sep 26, 2017 at 01:18 AM · View previous versions



Sep 26, 2017 at 01:03 AM
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p.1 #17 · Orlit Rovelight RT 610 Mini-Review


Forgot to mention that I also installed firmware V3. Not sure if that helped with the compatibility with Yongnuo Speedlite or not.


Sep 26, 2017 at 01:06 AM
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chinhman wrote:
Just got my RT 610 and TR-Q6c transmitter package. During a quick test, TR-Q6c transmitter worked with both Orlit RT 610 and my Yongnuo YN686EX-RT Speedlite in TTL mode. Unfortunately, there was a "pop" and smoke came out near the light bulb area of RT 610. Waiting for Customer Service to provide instruction for return/exchange.

Just want to share the good news on Orlit transmitter compatibility with Yongnuo Speedlite...and unreliability of Orlit RT 610.



I did email you as follows, before you tried them together! as follows:

Dear Chinh


Orlit and Yongnuo have compatibility issues - Orlit and Canon work well together


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Sep 26, 2017 at 01:21 AM
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Talked to Adorama Customer Service and suggested that they send me a new flash tube since it could be simply an overheated/burnt-out flash tube because the modeling lamp and LCD back panel still work. They agreed to send me one to try out. Great experience with Adorama customer service, Helen & Shae, so far.


Sep 26, 2017 at 07:36 PM
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p.1 #20 · Orlit Rovelight RT 610 Mini-Review


Any suggestions on improving the reliability of the 610 with the Canon ST3? I've been having on again off again problems with the 610 not firing even while the Canon speedlites do fire (background or fill light)
I just experienced it again a few days ago on a shoot. Came home and tried to replicate the problem and the 610 fired each and every time!!??
Is one channel / ID combo better than another?
Is the Version 3 firmware update helpful? (I have V2)
Purchased the 610 late October about a month and a half ago.



Nov 28, 2017 at 04:25 PM
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