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Archive 2010 · The effect of cheap filters .

  
 
DesmondD
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p.1 #1 · The effect of cheap filters .


Larry "fishbio" of nikoncafe gave me permission to use some of his sample pictures on my blog regarding "the effect of cheap filters on image quality" .
I though this was one subject worth making 'permanent' on my site and useful information for those of you wanting to know what filters are good because the conversation brought up a link with some comparisons as well .

Here is one of the images without and with the filter , the full story is on my blog .

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m300/dvdowns/blog/combined2.jpg
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Edited on Apr 12, 2010 at 01:09 AM · View previous versions



Apr 08, 2010 at 02:04 PM
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p.1 #2 · The effect of cheap filters .


Not really the best example to explain your point. There is barely any in focus branch visible to illustrate the effects, as the vast majority of the image is out of focus.


Apr 08, 2010 at 04:18 PM
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p.1 #3 · The effect of cheap filters .


Which one is the "good" one

Throw the lens out with the filter...



Apr 08, 2010 at 07:35 PM
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p.1 #4 · The effect of cheap filters .


Is this saying that the poor filter screws up the bokeh?


Apr 08, 2010 at 07:57 PM
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p.1 #5 · The effect of cheap filters .


I have seen the same impact on bokeh with my Canon 100-400 in certain conditions, and the filter wasn't necessarily a 'cheap' one either. A nearly $100 Hoya Pro UV filter. I now shoot filterless with this lens.

I did not run any extensive experiments, but I assume if it is doing this at all, it certainly wouldn't help with in-focus sharpness

And nervous bokeh like this can easily ruin a shot.



Apr 08, 2010 at 08:51 PM
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p.1 #6 · The effect of cheap filters .


MrGreen wrote:
Not really the best example to explain your point. There is barely any in focus branch visible to illustrate the effects, as the vast majority of the image is out of focus.


If you read the actual blog you will see that it refers to "bokeh" in a few places.

So you're telling me it's not a good example of 'bokeh' "because it's out of focus "
Here's a description of " Bokeh " to enlighten you !



Apr 09, 2010 at 01:50 AM
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p.1 #7 · The effect of cheap filters .


I came across an article talking about this same thing, nervous boken. There were quite a few examples showing the difference between photos with and without filters, low end and expensive ones. After seeing the results I pretty much shoot without UV filters UNLESS I think there may be a chance of something happening to my front element, like shooting mud drags or motor cross racing ect….

Don’t get me wrong, I do try and take good care of my gear. It’s just you spend thousand(s) of dollars on a good lens for several reasons, one being IQ. So why stick yet another piece of glass in front of it if you really don’t need to.



Apr 09, 2010 at 11:28 AM
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p.1 #8 · The effect of cheap filters .


Every time this discussion comes up I post this link

Crappy filters really can make it worse



Apr 09, 2010 at 11:41 AM
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p.1 #9 · The effect of cheap filters .


kenbennedy wrote:
Every time this discussion comes up I post this link

Crappy filters really can make it worse


That's a good link , it's also mentioned on my blog .



Apr 09, 2010 at 01:53 PM
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p.1 #10 · The effect of cheap filters .


I´ve seen this bokeh killing especially with 300 f4.0 and 70-200 2.8 using 1.4 converter.



Apr 11, 2010 at 11:56 PM
DesmondD
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p.1 #11 · The effect of cheap filters .


PasiM wrote:
I´ve seen this bokeh killing especially with 300 f4.0 and 70-200 2.8 using 1.4 converter.


It seems to be more prevalent in longer lenses according to most reports .



Apr 12, 2010 at 01:10 AM
DesmondD
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p.1 #12 · The effect of cheap filters .


Today I did some tests with my new Hoya pro1 that just arrived ....

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m300/dvdowns/blog/filterss.jpg




Apr 16, 2010 at 01:24 AM
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p.1 #13 · The effect of cheap filters .


i think the sharpness of the stick that is in focus is the main issue.


Apr 16, 2010 at 09:10 AM
DesmondD
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p.1 #14 · The effect of cheap filters .


drdrew wrote:
i think the sharpness of the stick that is in focus is the main issue.


I chose F2.8 to emphasize the bokeh which is actually our main 'subject ' in this discussion , not the stick . That background image is a crop of a larger image so the sharp part is not in that frame and no part of this discussion .



Apr 16, 2010 at 01:31 PM
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p.1 #15 · The effect of cheap filters .


Bad filters can wreck the images of good lenses. It is that simple. Been there, seen that.


Apr 17, 2010 at 04:30 AM
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p.1 #16 · The effect of cheap filters .


Hrow wrote:
Bad filters can wreck the images of good lenses. It is that simple. Been there, seen that.

It was something that was always in the back of my mind but never considered too seriously until I saw the first images someone posted illustrating the difference .
After doing my own tests I'm glad I've changed the filter on my 70-200VR .
I did some 8X12 prints today and the bokeh in the cheap-filter shot is markedly worse than on the other two .



Apr 17, 2010 at 04:39 AM





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