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p.1 #1 · Is Zeiss coming with ef mount lenses?

Carl Zeiss will very soon start gathering Canon EOS photographers into their fold with the launch of their ZE mount EF bayonet lenses. Considered the finest optics in the world, Carl Zeiss lenses have been impressing Nikon camera owners, across Bangalore and the world. If we are to go with the feedback and reviews from ProPix's customers (incuding both professional photographers, and also serious enthusiasts), we can very well expect the same and more from the Canon community.
Our source said that Carl Zeiss could possibly be announce the Carl Zeiss Planar T* 50mm f1.4 and the Carl Zeiss Planar T* 85mm f1.4, at Photokina 2008. According to our own sources, the the ZE lenses for Canon EOS, the EF bayonet, is expected to reach the shelves towards the end of 2008.
The Canon community has been rather typical, and have been showing excitement, and enthusiasm.
For those who want to know about the specs, visit www.ProPix.in and check out the Nikon ZF Mount Planar T* 50mm, and the Nikon ZF Mount Planar T* 85mm. Knowing the Zeiss philosophy of perfection, we know that the Canon lenses are not going to be hugely different from the Nikon mounts.

http://proimaging.blogspot.com/2008/08/propix-news-carl-zeiss-for-canon-eos.html
well how about that... let's hope so!

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Aug 26, 2008 at 10:04 AM

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p.1 #2 · Is Zeiss coming with ef mount lenses?

Oh wow - like we realy need an alternative 50 and 85 in EF mount. Sounds like Zeiss are too timid to step on Canon's corporate toes with some alternative wide and ultra wide glass.

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Aug 26, 2008 at 10:57 AM

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p.1 #3 · Is Zeiss coming with ef mount lenses?

Wow, you mean Zeiss will finally put electronics in a lens? That will be a new one.

Aug 26, 2008 at 11:31 AM

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p.1 #4 · Is Zeiss coming with ef mount lenses?

internet bull sh..t

http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/670189/0

I asked Zeiss about this and the answer was that they not going to do EOS mount lenses without the agreement by Canon. Other people received the same information

Aug 26, 2008 at 11:44 AM

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p.1 #5 · Is Zeiss coming with ef mount lenses?

Hmmm. It would be logical move, but it seems quite dubious give past statements from Zeiss and the source of the comment.

If it is, in some measure true, would it be "electronic"? Or merely have the EF bayonet with manual aperture control? Otherwise, Zeiss would have to change the build of the lenses to accommodate an electronic aperture mechanism. I further agree with Shirozina's comment, it 's not clear that there would be significant demand for a Zeiss 85mm, and perhaps only marginally more for the 50mm (Canon's 50, unlike their 85 isn't much to write home about).

If they DO put electronics in them, maybe they will break down and put chips in the ZF lenses (and offer an upgrade to existing owners).

Aug 26, 2008 at 11:50 AM

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p.1 #6 · Is Zeiss coming with ef mount lenses?

Andi Dietrich wrote:
internet bull sh..t

And here I was trying to diplomatic and measured. ;-)

Nothing like giving it straight and unvarnished.

Aug 26, 2008 at 11:52 AM

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p.1 #7 · Is Zeiss coming with ef mount lenses?

I think more likely they have an agreement with Sony not to...

The Sony mount Zeiss 24-70 2.8 has SSM (The Minolta/Sony name for USM)

Aug 26, 2008 at 12:00 PM

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p.1 #8 · Is Zeiss coming with ef mount lenses?

If wishful thinking could move mountains, maybe.

This from the blogger's profile:

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I am an IT guy from Bangalore, India, with mildly off-centre views about everything. Some of it, can be deemed gaga, and some of it pistachio. Pistachio is where you first go green, and then you go nuts.

Aug 26, 2008 at 12:01 PM

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p.1 #9 · Is Zeiss coming with ef mount lenses?

Lotusm50 wrote:
If it is, in some measure true, would it be "electronic"? Or merely have the EF bayonet with manual aperture control? Otherwise, Zeiss would have to change the build of the lenses to accommodate an electronic aperture mechanism.

It would have to be electronic as that's the only way the EF mount controls the aperture. The only other alternative is to have an aperture ring but then you're stuck with stop down metering. In that case, the only advantage over using a ZF with an adapter is that you won't have to buy the adapter.

Aug 26, 2008 at 12:19 PM

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p.1 #10 · Is Zeiss coming with ef mount lenses?

I realize that. When I suggested "manual", I meant that you would control the aperture manually -- not through the camera -- just like you would with a Nikon or Contax lens on an adapter. The benefit would be that you eliminate adapter issues (as you suggest). Whether that is sufficient reason to produce a ZE lens line for Canon EOS is another question, but this is how it could be done without electronics (and without changing more of the lens construction than just the lens mount).

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Lotusm50 wrote:
If it is, in some measure true, would it be "electronic"? Or merely have the EF bayonet with manual aperture control? Otherwise, Zeiss would have to change the build of the lenses to accommodate an electronic aperture mechanism.

It would have to be electronic as that's the only way the EF mount controls the aperture. The only other alternative is to have an aperture ring but then you're stuck with stop down metering. In that case, the only advantage over using a ZF with an adapter is that you won't have to buy the adapter.

Aug 26, 2008 at 12:29 PM

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p.1 #11 · Is Zeiss coming with ef mount lenses?

I'll believe it when I see it.

The Zeiss lenses are made by Cosina I believe? Remember the Voigtländer 125mm macro in EOS mount, with automatic aperture but manual focus ring. The know how is there, but will Zeiss choose to go this route?

I'm thinking of some of their WA lenses. But without auto aperture there is no point in buying these lenses imo; better buy ZF versions knowing they will fit Nikon cameras as well...

EDIT: spelling

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Aug 26, 2008 at 12:59 PM

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p.1 #12 · Is Zeiss coming with ef mount lenses?

Jonas B wrote:
I'll believe it when I see it.

The Zeiss lenses are made by Cosina I believe? Remember the Voigtländer 125mm macro in EOS mount, with automatic aperture but manual focus ring. The know how is there, but will Zeiss choose to go this route?

I'm thinking of some of their WA lenses. But without auto aperture there is no point in buying these lenses imo; better buy ZF versions knowing they will fit Nikon cameras as well...

EDIT: spelling

Agreed! I would rather use a ZF on a Nikon body with aperture control than use a ZE without aperture control. But if they did add an EOS chip to it I'd go ZE all the way. That would open up a whole new and larger market for Zeiss.

Aug 26, 2008 at 02:20 PM

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p.1 #13 · Is Zeiss coming with ef mount lenses?

Jonas B wrote:

I'm thinking of some of their WA lenses. But without auto aperture there is no point in buying these lenses imo; better buy ZF versions knowing they will fit Nikon cameras as well...

EDIT: spelling

Ditto. I dont see the point unless they provide aperture control. At least with the ZF ones you can pick a D700 in a few years and use them the way they were meant to.

Aug 26, 2008 at 03:13 PM

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p.1 #14 · Is Zeiss coming with ef mount lenses?

The aperture control could be on the lens itself as with some LF lenses. A switch could open up the aperture wide open and close it down to the set f/stop.

Aug 26, 2008 at 03:46 PM

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p.1 #15 · Is Zeiss coming with ef mount lenses?

One upside would be the elimination of adapters, and I think we've all encountered adapter issues at one time or another. According Conurus (Bo-ming) the electronics on the Contax N AF lenses and Canon EF protocols are quite similar, so electronic integration is feasible.

If Zeiss released the current ZF line-up in a ZE mount w/ electronic aperture - '08 (or '09) would be a very, very expensive year for me!!!

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p.1 #16 · Is Zeiss coming with ef mount lenses?

Zeiss should have made the lenses in T-mount so with an appropriate T-mount adapter you count mount and use it on any camera you like. With such flexibility they could have sold even more lenses -- and got around the EOS EF mount issue.

Aug 26, 2008 at 06:43 PM

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p.1 #17 · Is Zeiss coming with ef mount lenses?

As I understand it, the Zeiss ZF Nikon-mount lenses are made by Cosina but the ZA lenses with the Sony mount are made elsewhere - possibly where the Sony lenses are manufactured. The ZA lenses are not nearly as good (consumer grade?) as the ZF line.

If Zeiss do bring out a ZE Canon-mount lenses that are as good as their ZF line it will probably cement my relationship with Canon. Wouldn't be nice to see a Distagon 21/2.8 in ZE mount!

Jonas B wrote:
I'll believe it when I see it.

The Zeiss lenses are made by Cosina I believe? Remember the Voigtländer 125mm macro in EOS mount, with automatic aperture but manual focus ring. The know how is there, but will Zeiss choose to go this route?

I'm thinking of some of their WA lenses. But without auto aperture there is no point in buying these lenses imo; better buy ZF versions knowing they will fit Nikon cameras as well...

EDIT: spelling

Aug 30, 2008 at 04:17 PM

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p.1 #18 · Is Zeiss coming with ef mount lenses?

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As I understand it, the Zeiss ZF Nikon-mount lenses are made by Cosina but the ZA lenses with the Sony mount are made elsewhere - possibly where the Sony lenses are manufactured. The ZA lenses are not nearly as good (consumer grade?) as the ZF line.

If Zeiss do bring out a ZE Canon-mount lenses that are as good as their ZF line it will probably cement my relationship with Canon. Wouldn't be nice to see a Distagon 21/2.8 in ZE mount!

Most of the ZA lenses are every bit as good as the ZF line. The 135/1.8 in particular is a gem and the ZA 85 is a better performer than the ZF 85. The 24-70 SSM rivals the Nikkor and outperforms the L.

The only consumer-grade ZA is the 16-80 DT, Sony and Zeiss's answer to the need for a high-end consumer normal zoom. It's easily one of the 2-3 best zooms out there with that sort of range, along with the ZD 12-60 and the Nikkor 16-85. Build is a little light for the cost though.

ZA's are most likely made by Tamron, although one of the former KM lens factories is also a possibility (Not sure if Sony got the production lines or just the tooling and designs, could be either given the gap in production between the end of KM and the availability of Sony-branded kit).

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Aug 30, 2008 at 10:49 PM

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p.1 #19 · Is Zeiss coming with ef mount lenses?

I'd love to see one of the great Zeiss 21 mm and 28 mm lenses in a native Canon EOS mount, even if it were manual only. Especially the 21 mm, for architecture, and hopefully not priced anywhere near as high as $3000.

Aug 31, 2008 at 03:53 AM

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p.1 #20 · Is Zeiss coming with ef mount lenses?

Monito wrote:
I'd love to see one of the great Zeiss 21 mm and 28 mm lenses in a native Canon EOS mount, even if it were manual only. Especially the 21 mm, for architecture, and hopefully not priced anywhere near as high as $3000.

The C/Y 21mm cost about $1600 when it was available, so I'd expect a price similar to that in the new line if the optical characteristics are similar. I also found it to be not the best lens for architecture because of the moustache distortion.

Aug 31, 2008 at 04:09 AM

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p.1 #21 · Is Zeiss coming with ef mount lenses?

In a few weeks we'll know for sure.
http://www.zeiss.com/photo

Sep 02, 2008 at 08:25 AM

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p.1 #22 · Is Zeiss coming with ef mount lenses?

Well I really dont think we will see the EOS mount. I asked them for information about new mounts a couple of weeks ago before I bought the ZF18mm. They told me to use an adapter and that it wasnt possible to make the lens in Canon mount without agreement.

Sep 02, 2008 at 08:41 AM

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p.1 #23 · Is Zeiss coming with ef mount lenses?

I have NO inside knowledge, but I am a Zeiss dealer and I'll add this: when they came out with Pentax mount, they were very matter of fact about it. "Oh, by the way, we've added Pentax." They're really pumped up about whatever is coming in September, which makes me believe its NOT a 4/3 mount.

Sep 02, 2008 at 01:35 PM

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p.1 #24 · Is Zeiss coming with ef mount lenses?

koenrutten wrote:
In a few weeks we'll know for sure.
http://www.zeiss.com/photo

Interesting. There is really not a lot of different possibilities. It's not going to be "OM" mount, it's not going to be Leica R mount, and it's not going to be 4/3rds mount (this would be very surprising). So, what's left? Contax RTS mount, Sony Alpha/Minolta mount, or Canon EF.

Contax RTS? probably not, only if Zeiss is feeling nostalgic

Sony Alpha/Minolta? Perhaps. Don't know the details of Sony's licensing agreement with Zeiss. Other than participation in the design process, Zeiss appears to have little involvement in the Sony Alpha ZA Zeiss lenses. Zeiss could produce a manual focus option for the Alpha cameras. This might not be prohibited in the licensing agreement, and even if it is, Sony might welcome it as it might help them sell bodies -- which might help them gain critical mass in the market to be a viable long-term alternative to Canon/Nikon.

Canon EF? Possibly. The physical mount is most likely out of patent protection by now, and they really don't need AF protocols (obviously). Clearly it would be the biggest potential market of the 3 for Zeiss. Not sure what Canon can do to protect a patent over 20 years old, and they certainly haven't done anything to prevent anyone else using the mount at least over over the last decade. So who knows.

We'll just have to wait until September 15 to find out.

Sep 02, 2008 at 06:37 PM

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p.1 #25 · Is Zeiss coming with ef mount lenses?

All this sounds interesting. That could even turn out costly for me, if they release a ZE 21/2.8 sold at $1.6k at B&H.

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