I gotta agree.
I upgraded? from a D90 to the 5D2 for Video and 21mp Landscape.
The AF really sucks. Forget trying to shoot anything moving.
The Cannonites that rave on, all shoot fully manual.
I then upgraded to a D7000. Every single thing is better now for me.
However, I do wish Canon would fix something besides the misleading specifications. Nikon needs the competition to encourage them to do even greater things.
lisy78 wrote: hardlyboring wrote:
hmmmm
I am heavily invested in Canon and have looked at and used Nikon stuff many times. Ergonomics IMO are not as good as canon at least for my hands.
As far as pushing and pulling files from all the high end Canon stuff compared to the high end Nikon stuff....it is a wash. Basically the same. Pushing or pulling a shot depends on much more than just the cam you use at this point you can push or pull in both systems way more than you should ever have to.
Price---Canon
Fixing---Canon everytime, and silly fast.
Here is my honest take. Nikon overtook Canon in the fully functional FF cam market a few years ago. Canon still has the take on video. Canon will take the necessary time to research and restructure their camera lines to better Nikon. I am thinking maybe two more years. When that happens everyone will be real sad they switched.
Plus I don\'t care what Nikon has...nothing beats a 5d + 35L picture. Sorry cannot be done.
People who switched a few years ago are fine but people who switch now are asking for big regrets I think.
Doug,
The comment you made about the 5D + 35L I think is a strong indication of our different philosophy when it comes to what we expect from our cameras.
I have that combo. It\'s great, I love it. But you know what? It does NOT sell me any images. What sells images for me is not having to wonder whether my shots are in focus or not, because some idiot decided it makes sense that the LCD isn\'t really showing me the sharpness of my raw. Or because some other idiot decided that it makes sense that to go check focus (even though I really can\'t) I have to press a magnifying glass a half million times.
The main reason I even own a 35L (aside from gear-whoring peer pressure, largely fueled by comments like yours ) is that my 24-70 2.8L is really more a 24-70 4L or thereabouts.
For what *I* may artistically care about maybe 35 1.4 @ 3200 ISO is ideal... but the parameters my clients use to judge images are such that more often than not they\'d actually prefer 35 2.8 @12800 \'cause someone else they like ends up being in focus
I can\'t believe you actually prefer our Canon\'s ergonomics... I can\'t get over how freakin\' cool it must be to just flip a physical switch to go from one shot focus to servo... rather than having to remember (Am I using the 5D or the 5D2.... and then figuring out which button, followed by which dial to turn)... and darn your cameras don\'t switch mode on you when you hang them by your side?!?!? I could run a gallery just with my BULB mode photos.
As to Canon coming out with something that overtakes Nikon...
To be perfectly honest, I can totally see Canon coming out with a camera with better high iso, but before I\'d *regret* the switch I\'d actually have to have some significant beef with whatever Nikon I end up with.
I\'m not just jealous of the grass on the other side.
I\'ve been burned a couple of times by my Canon gear and I\'m done laughing about it.
I had a portrait session that I had to miraculously save by using every last bit of photoshop skill I have... that AND focusmagic. Piece of shit 5D2 decided to effing consistently misfocus... and of course the damn LCD was showing me whatever garbage JPG Canon thinks is kosher to show me ... and it looked fine. Until I got back to the computer and I nearly literally shit my pants.
As to push-ability. Take a shot at ISO 6400 in low light with a 5D2 underexposed by 2 stops and push it in post. Then do the same with a D700. Then push both, then show me the image with the atrociously obvious banding (in a humorous way, reminiscent of how we used to make fun of Nikon\'s D200) and I will show you it\'s a CR2 file.
I know 3 people who rave about their 24-70s and use them wide open for most of the day. How many do you? Every freakin\' Nikon shooter I know, has one and loves it.
I\'ve had enough of Canon\'s bullshit.
I have $20 here that says that when Canon comes out with the 1Ds Mark IV it wil cost MORE than the D3S, will NOT outperform it in terms of high iso, it will shoot slower, and will NOT resolve all the issues I\'ve mentioned.
Oh sure, it will probably have better video ability.
Hey dude, sorry, but like I said I\'ve gotten burned one too many times.
I gotta agree.
I upgraded? from a D90 to the 5D2 for Video and 21mp Landscape.
The AF really sucks. Forget trying to shoot anything moving.
The Cannonites that rave on, all shoot fully manual.
I then upgraded to a D7000. Every single thing is better now for me.
However, I do wish Canon would fix something besides the misleading specifications. Nikon needs the competition to encourage them to do even grater things.
lisy78 wrote: hardlyboring wrote:
hmmmm
I am heavily invested in Canon and have looked at and used Nikon stuff many times. Ergonomics IMO are not as good as canon at least for my hands.
As far as pushing and pulling files from all the high end Canon stuff compared to the high end Nikon stuff....it is a wash. Basically the same. Pushing or pulling a shot depends on much more than just the cam you use at this point you can push or pull in both systems way more than you should ever have to.
Price---Canon
Fixing---Canon everytime, and silly fast.
Here is my honest take. Nikon overtook Canon in the fully functional FF cam market a few years ago. Canon still has the take on video. Canon will take the necessary time to research and restructure their camera lines to better Nikon. I am thinking maybe two more years. When that happens everyone will be real sad they switched.
Plus I don\'t care what Nikon has...nothing beats a 5d + 35L picture. Sorry cannot be done.
People who switched a few years ago are fine but people who switch now are asking for big regrets I think.
Doug,
The comment you made about the 5D + 35L I think is a strong indication of our different philosophy when it comes to what we expect from our cameras.
I have that combo. It\'s great, I love it. But you know what? It does NOT sell me any images. What sells images for me is not having to wonder whether my shots are in focus or not, because some idiot decided it makes sense that the LCD isn\'t really showing me the sharpness of my raw. Or because some other idiot decided that it makes sense that to go check focus (even though I really can\'t) I have to press a magnifying glass a half million times.
The main reason I even own a 35L (aside from gear-whoring peer pressure, largely fueled by comments like yours ) is that my 24-70 2.8L is really more a 24-70 4L or thereabouts.
For what *I* may artistically care about maybe 35 1.4 @ 3200 ISO is ideal... but the parameters my clients use to judge images are such that more often than not they\'d actually prefer 35 2.8 @12800 \'cause someone else they like ends up being in focus
I can\'t believe you actually prefer our Canon\'s ergonomics... I can\'t get over how freakin\' cool it must be to just flip a physical switch to go from one shot focus to servo... rather than having to remember (Am I using the 5D or the 5D2.... and then figuring out which button, followed by which dial to turn)... and darn your cameras don\'t switch mode on you when you hang them by your side?!?!? I could run a gallery just with my BULB mode photos.
As to Canon coming out with something that overtakes Nikon...
To be perfectly honest, I can totally see Canon coming out with a camera with better high iso, but before I\'d *regret* the switch I\'d actually have to have some significant beef with whatever Nikon I end up with.
I\'m not just jealous of the grass on the other side.
I\'ve been burned a couple of times by my Canon gear and I\'m done laughing about it.
I had a portrait session that I had to miraculously save by using every last bit of photoshop skill I have... that AND focusmagic. Piece of shit 5D2 decided to effing consistently misfocus... and of course the damn LCD was showing me whatever garbage JPG Canon thinks is kosher to show me ... and it looked fine. Until I got back to the computer and I nearly literally shit my pants.
As to push-ability. Take a shot at ISO 6400 in low light with a 5D2 underexposed by 2 stops and push it in post. Then do the same with a D700. Then push both, then show me the image with the atrociously obvious banding (in a humorous way, reminiscent of how we used to make fun of Nikon\'s D200) and I will show you it\'s a CR2 file.
I know 3 people who rave about their 24-70s and use them wide open for most of the day. How many do you? Every freakin\' Nikon shooter I know, has one and loves it.
I\'ve had enough of Canon\'s bullshit.
I have $20 here that says that when Canon comes out with the 1Ds Mark IV it wil cost MORE than the D3S, will NOT outperform it in terms of high iso, it will shoot slower, and will NOT resolve all the issues I\'ve mentioned.
Oh sure, it will probably have better video ability.
Hey dude, sorry, but like I said I\'ve gotten burned one too many times.
) is that my 24-70 2.8L is really more a 24-70 4L or thereabouts.