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Makten wrote:
beud wrote:
- first it seems oversharpened to me,


Many of the examples in this thread are way oversharpened, as I see it. So just doing what others do might not be the best choice. I prefer sharpening in two steps, and I usually do it different for every singe picture. I also only sharpen the L channel in LAB mode, which doesn\'t enhance CA and other color aberrations.

Very nice shot by the way!


+1 Very nice shot, and yes slightly oversharpened.

I definitely disagree though that oversharpening is a common problem - on the contrary. I think one of the main problems that many have with PP is that they treat Zeiss images the same way they would Canon or Nikon without taking into consideration the added micro contrast. In short they miss out on extracting the texture that the Zeiss can provide.

Then there are differences in cameras and monitors. For the latter the dotpitch is essential - on screens with large pixels things will tend to look more oversharpened. As for cameras, a 12 megapixel image can\'t be compared to a 21 megapixel. If you are used to the former it is very likely you will interpret the added detail as sharpening artifacts while they are in fact details in the image.

Finally there is of course the question of taste and of sensitivity. People can be more or less sensitive to sharpening and they like varying degrees of it.

Anyway, to continue the LAB discussion from the Leica thread. I\'ve chosen a couple of images that present sharpening difficulties and I\'ve used a standard method - one in full RGB space one in LAB space with only the L channel. I have chosen a more aggressive sharpening than usual so that the differences can be highlighted.

The images have been linked - open them in separate tabs and flip between them.


Set A, grass is typically easy to oversharpen:






Image A - RGB
Image A - LAB (L Only)

Set B: The leaves of a tree are typically problematic as well.






Image B - RGB
Image B - LAB (L Only)

Set C: Building with texture, ideal sharpening target:






Image C - RGB
Image C - LAB (L Only)

Set D: Distant building with high contrast details:






Image D - RGB
Image D - LAB (L Only)

Since I have so far not seen any difference, here is a 1024 px set instead:
Image D - RGB
Image D - LAB (L Only)

Here I could see a difference but it is difficult (at least for me) to judge which is better.

Set E: Is there any difference when you have bokeh involved?






Image E - RGB
Image E - LAB (L Only)

Finally,
Set F: I have never managed to sharpen this image properly. Every method I tried and the rock on the left side was just crap - no detail or oversharpened..






Image F - RGB
Image F - LAB (L Only)

If anybody feels like they know how to handle that type of rock texture, here is the RAW file.

The bottom line for me is that I really can\'t tell the RGB/L apart. To me the differences seem extremely slight but perhaps I\'m just blind to that type of subtlety..



Aug 08, 2010 at 05:54 PM





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