digitalbug30d wrote: M Vers wrote: dolina wrote:
Isn\'t RAW supposed to be \"soft\"?
No, not necessarily. The problem is 7D RAW files are softer than other camera RAW\'s.
this has to be the funniest reply Ive seen..I am no mean an expert on the quantum mechanics of how the damn sensor gathers the light and what it does with it to give a quantative argument...but RAW is an undeveloped negative right like in old film days so it needs to be sharpened no matter how soft it looks compared to OTHER cameras..for now on unsharpened RAW files mean as much to me as a 300 percent crop...
so in DPP if I have to raise the sharpness level to 4 instaed of 3 the 7D
now sucks?
no, but perhaps it means they did a little averaging to even things out and then maybe the supposed superb low iso noise performance isn\'t really there if you also wanted full 18MP detail. or maybe not. or maybe yes, but it still gives a better 14MP than anything else, etc.
i can say that my first copy appeared to have maybe 80% worse noise than a 50D at ISO100 (NOT a careful calculation didn\'t want to bother wasting time on it) which brings it back to the level of camera technology from like nearing towards a decade ago perhaps (otoh some copies maybe only deliver a trace more noise and in the end with everything else better maybe it is a whatever)
EDIT: although ACR 5.6 does much better with it, artifacting and such are gone, it does seem to lower micro-contrast and detail a tad though so you might need to do some 0.1-0.2 radius sharpening up to get it back
digitalbug30d wrote: M Vers wrote: dolina wrote:
Isn\'t RAW supposed to be \"soft\"?
No, not necessarily. The problem is 7D RAW files are softer than other camera RAW\'s.
this has to be the funniest reply Ive seen..I am no mean an expert on the quantum mechanics of how the damn sensor gathers the light and what it does with it to give a quantative argument...but RAW is an undeveloped negative right like in old film days so it needs to be sharpened no matter how soft it looks compared to OTHER cameras..for now on unsharpened RAW files mean as much to me as a 300 percent crop...
so in DPP if I have to raise the sharpness level to 4 instaed of 3 the 7D
now sucks?
no, but perhaps it means they did a little averaging to even things out and then maybe the supposed superb low iso noise performance isn\'t really there if you also wanted full 18MP detail. or maybe not. or maybe yes, but it still gives a better 14MP than anything else, etc.
i can say that my first copy appeared to have maybe 80% worse noise than a 50D at ISO100 (NOT a careful calculation didn\'t want to bother wasting time on it) which brings it back to the level of camera technology from like nearing towards a decade ago perhaps (otoh some copies maybe only deliver a trace more noise and in the end with everything else better maybe it is a whatever)
digitalbug30d wrote: M Vers wrote: dolina wrote:
Isn\'t RAW supposed to be \"soft\"?
No, not necessarily. The problem is 7D RAW files are softer than other camera RAW\'s.
this has to be the funniest reply Ive seen..I am no mean an expert on the quantum mechanics of how the damn sensor gathers the light and what it does with it to give a quantative argument...but RAW is an undeveloped negative right like in old film days so it needs to be sharpened no matter how soft it looks compared to OTHER cameras..for now on unsharpened RAW files mean as much to me as a 300 percent crop...
so in DPP if I have to raise the sharpness level to 4 instaed of 3 the 7D
now sucks?
no, but perhaps it means they did a little averaging to even things out and then maybe the supposed superb low iso noise performance isn\'t really there if you also wanted full 18MP detail. or maybe not. or maybe yes, but it still gives a better 14MP than anything else, etc.
i can say that my first copy appeared to have maybe 80% worse noise than a 50D at ISO100 (NOT a careful calculation didn\'t want to bother wasting time on it) which brings it back to the level of camera technology from like nearing towards a decade ago perhaps (otoh some copies maybe only deliver a trace more noise and in the end with everything else better maybe it is a whatever)
Nov 17, 2009 at 02:55 AM
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