gdanmitchell wrote: Interface preferences are a pretty subjective thing
melcat replied: They’re really not. The original Mac interface was arrived at after two years of prototyping and formal psychological experiments. For example, Fitt’s Law allows convenient menu access (at the top), and conveniently moving the dock to another monitor (by smashing the mouse pointer to the bottom edge of that monitor and holding it there).
There can be no doubt that a text entry box which is transparent to text below it, as seen in Tahoe’s Settings app, is a bad idea. But if you do doubt, you can prove it by experiment.
How ann interface operates is not exactly subjective, though a lot of subjective choices go into its design. There are obviously facts about how it functions. However, how one responds to that interface is, indeed, subjective. Note that I used the words “interface preferences” in that sentence. (Exhibit 1: Some people lover Windows way more than Mac OS and some love Mac OS way more than Windows.)
In addition, one aspect of the current Mac OS interface is that many things can easily be change to be more in line with your preferences. For example, it is pretty easy to disable that transparency in Mac OS (and in iOs). In fact, for some of us with vision issues that's a necessity... but easy to do.
I also wrote: I suppose it is fine to lock yourself into an earlier version as long as it still works fine for you, but I don’t see any reason to avoid upgrading.
melcat replied: It’s only 3 to 5 weeks until the release of Golden Gate, which fixes most or all of Tahoe’s UI problems, and Sequoia is still receiving security updates, and will for another year. If your machine can run Golden Gate, and is still on Sequoia, I think it would be best just to wait for Golden Gate, and perhaps the first update of Golden Gate if you’re not eager for some feature in it. On the other hand, if it’s even possible with the applied firmware updates, I think it would be silly to try to downgrade a Tahoe machine to Sequoia for just a few weeks.
I'll agree with you on waiting to see what the new interface looks like rather than upgrading now if you are still using an older version of the OS.
On the other hand, I would not be in too great of a hurry to move to this new OS on a work-centric photography machine since there are some pretty significant changes. (You may have seen the warnings about the need to use Rosetta if you have some old software, for example some of the tools that come with Epson printers.)
Recent updates have not created any problems for me with my Epson printers, but in the past there were some serious issues that made it better to wait and see. I'll probably update my non-photo Mac pretty quickly with the new OS, but I'll wait at least a week or two to upgrade my Photoshop machine and let others be the beta testers on that. And when I do update... I'm make sure I have at least one solid backup of my entire system and external drives.
gdanmitchell wrote: Interface preferences are a pretty subjective thing
melcat replied: They’re really not. The original Mac interface was arrived at after two years of prototyping and formal psychological experiments. For example, Fitt’s Law allows convenient menu access (at the top), and conveniently moving the dock to another monitor (by smashing the mouse pointer to the bottom edge of that monitor and holding it there).
There can be no doubt that a text entry box which is transparent to text below it, as seen in Tahoe’s Settings app, is a bad idea. But if you do doubt, you can prove it by experiment.
How ann interface operates is not exactly subjective, though a lot of subjective choices go into its design. There are obviously facts about how it functions. However, how one responds to that interface is, indeed, subjective. Note that I used the words “interface preferences” in that sentence. (Exhibit 1: Some people lover Windows way more than Mac OS and some love Mac OS way more than Windows.)
In addition, one aspect of the current Mac OS interface is that many things can easily be change to be more in line with your preferences. For example, it is pretty easy to disable that transparency in Mac OS (and in iOs). In fact, for some of us with vision issues that's a necessity... but easy to do.
I also wrote: I suppose it is fine to lock yourself into an earlier version as long as it still works fine for you, but I don’t see any reason to avoid upgrading.
melcat replied: It’s only 3 to 5 weeks until the release of Golden Gate, which fixes most or all of Tahoe’s UI problems, and Sequoia is still receiving security updates, and will for another year. If your machine can run Golden Gate, and is still on Sequoia, I think it would be best just to wait for Golden Gate, and perhaps the first update of Golden Gate if you’re not eager for some feature in it. On the other hand, if it’s even possible with the applied firmware updates, I think it would be silly to try to downgrade a Tahoe machine to Sequoia for just a few weeks.
I'll agree with you on waiting to see what the new interface looks like rather than upgrading now if you are still using an older version of the OS.
On the other hand, I would not be in too great of a hurry to move to this new OS on a work-centric photography machine since there are some pretty significant changes. (You may have seen the warnings about the need to use Rosetta if you have some old software, for example some of the tools that come with Epson printers.)
Recent updates have not created any problems for me with my Epson printers, but in the past there were some serious issues that made it better to wait and see. I'll probably update my non-photo Mac pretty quickly with the new OS, but I'll wait at least a week or two to upgrade my Photoshop machine and let others be the beta testers on that. And when I do update... I'm make sure I have at least one solid backup of my entire system and external drives.
gdanmitchell wrote: Interface preferences are a pretty subjective thing
melcat replied: They’re really not. The original Mac interface was arrived at after two years of prototyping and formal psychological experiments. For example, Fitt’s Law allows convenient menu access (at the top), and conveniently moving the dock to another monitor (by smashing the mouse pointer to the bottom edge of that monitor and holding it there).
There can be no doubt that a text entry box which is transparent to text below it, as seen in Tahoe’s Settings app, is a bad idea. But if you do doubt, you can prove it by experiment.
How ann interface operates is not exactly subjective, though a lot of subjective choices go into its design. There are obviously facts about how it functions. However, how one responds to that interface is, indeed, subjective. Note that I used the words “interface preferences” in that sentence. (Exhibit 1: Some people lover Windows way more than Mac OS and some love Mac OS way more than Windows.)
In addition, one aspect of the current Mac OS interface is that many things can easily be change to be more in line with your preferences. For example, it is pretty easy to disable that transparency in Mac OS (and in iOs). In fact, for some of us with vision issues that's a necessity... but easy to do.
I also wrote: I suppose it is fine to lock yourself into an earlier version as long as it still works fine for you, but I don’t see any reason to avoid upgrading.
melcat replied: It’s only 3 to 5 weeks until the release of Golden Gate, which fixes most or all of Tahoe’s UI problems, and Sequoia is still receiving security updates, and will for another year. If your machine can run Golden Gate, and is still on Sequoia, I think it would be best just to wait for Golden Gate, and perhaps the first update of Golden Gate if you’re not eager for some feature in it. On the other hand, if it’s even possible with the applied firmware updates, I think it would be silly to try to downgrade a Tahoe machine to Sequoia for just a few weeks.
I'll agree with you on waiting to see what the new interface looks like rather than upgrading now if you are still using an older version of the OS.
On the other hand, I would not be in too great of a hurry to move to this new OS on a work-centric photography machine since there are some pretty significant changes. (You may have seen the warnings about the need to use Rosetta if you have some old software, for example some of the tools that come with Epson printers.)
Recent updates have not created any problems for me with my Epson printers, but in the past there were some serious issues that made it better to wait and see. I'll probably update my non-photo Mac pretty quickly with the new OS, but I'll wait at least a week or two to upgrade my Photoshop machine and let others be the beta testers on that. And when I do update... I'm make sure I have at least one solid backup of my entire system and external drives.
gdanmitchell wrote: Interface preferences are a pretty subjective thing
melcat replied: They’re really not. The original Mac interface was arrived at after two years of prototyping and formal psychological experiments. For example, Fitt’s Law allows convenient menu access (at the top), and conveniently moving the dock to another monitor (by smashing the mouse pointer to the bottom edge of that monitor and holding it there).
There can be no doubt that a text entry box which is transparent to text below it, as seen in Tahoe’s Settings app, is a bad idea. But if you do doubt, you can prove it by experiment.
How the interface operates is not exactly subjective. There are obviously facts about how it functions. However, how one responds to that interface is, indeed, subjective. Note that I used the words “interface preferences” in that sentence. (Exhibit 1: Some people lover Windows way more than Mac OS and some love Mac OS way more than Windows.)
In addition, one aspect of the current Mac OS interface is that many things can easily be change to be more in line with your preferences. For example, it is pretty easy to disable that transparency in Mac OS (and in iOs). In fact, for some of us with vision issues that's a necessity... but easy to do.
I also wrote: I suppose it is fine to lock yourself into an earlier version as long as it still works fine for you, but I don’t see any reason to avoid upgrading.
melcat replied: It’s only 3 to 5 weeks until the release of Golden Gate, which fixes most or all of Tahoe’s UI problems, and Sequoia is still receiving security updates, and will for another year. If your machine can run Golden Gate, and is still on Sequoia, I think it would be best just to wait for Golden Gate, and perhaps the first update of Golden Gate if you’re not eager for some feature in it. On the other hand, if it’s even possible with the applied firmware updates, I think it would be silly to try to downgrade a Tahoe machine to Sequoia for just a few weeks.
I'll agree with you on waiting to see what the new interface looks like rather than upgrading now if you are still using an older version of the OS.
On the other hand, I would not be in too great of a hurry to move to this new OS on a work-centric photography machine since there are some pretty significant changes. (You may have seen the warnings about the need to use Rosetta if you have some old software, for example some of the tools that come with Epson printers.)
Recent updates have not created any problems for me with my Epson printers, but in the past there were some serious issues that made it better to wait and see. I'll probably update my non-photo Mac pretty quickly with the new OS, but I'll wait at least a week or two to upgrade my Photoshop machine and let others be the beta testers on that. And when I do update... I'm make sure I have at least one solid backup of my entire system and external drives.
gdanmitchell wrote:
Interface preferences are a pretty subjective thing
melcat replied: They’re really not. The original Mac interface was arrived at after two years of prototyping and formal psychological experiments. For example, Fitt’s Law allows convenient menu access (at the top), and conveniently moving the dock to another monitor (by smashing the mouse pointer to the bottom edge of that monitor and holding it there).
There can be no doubt that a text entry box which is transparent to text below it, as seen in Tahoe’s Settings app, is a bad idea. But if you do doubt, you can prove it by experiment.
How the interface operates is not exactly subjective. There are obviously facts about how it functions. However, how one responds to that interface is, indeed, subjective. Note that I used the words “interface preferences” in that sentence. (Exhibit 1: Some people lover Windows way more than Mac OS and some love Mac OS way more than Windows.)
In addition, one aspect of the current Mac OS interface is that many things can easily be change to be more in line with your preferences. For example, it is pretty easy to disable that transparency in Mac OS (and in iOs). In fact, for some of us with vision issues that's a necessity... but easy to do.
I also wrote: I suppose it is fine to lock yourself into an earlier version as long as it still works fine for you, but I don’t see any reason to avoid upgrading.
melcat replied: It’s only 3 to 5 weeks until the release of Golden Gate, which fixes most or all of Tahoe’s UI problems, and Sequoia is still receiving security updates, and will for another year. If your machine can run Golden Gate, and is still on Sequoia, I think it would be best just to wait for Golden Gate, and perhaps the first update of Golden Gate if you’re not eager for some feature in it. On the other hand, if it’s even possible with the applied firmware updates, I think it would be silly to try to downgrade a Tahoe machine to Sequoia for just a few weeks.
I'll agree with you on waiting to see what the new interface looks like rather than upgrading now if you are still using an older version of the OS.
On the other hand, I would not be in too great of a hurry to move to this new OS on a work-centric photography machine since there are some pretty significant changes. (You may have seen the warnings about the need to use Rosetta if you have some old software, for example some of the tools that come with Epson printers.)
Recent updates have not created any problems for me with my Epson printers, but in the past there were some serious issues that made it better to wait and see. I'll probably update my non-photo Mac pretty quickly with the new OS, but I'll wait at least a week or two to upgrade my Photoshop machine and let others be the beta testers on that. And when I do update... I'm make sure I have at least one solid backup of my entire system and external drives.
gdanmitchell wrote:
Interface preferences are a pretty subjective thing
melcat replied: They’re really not. The original Mac interface was arrived at after two years of prototyping and formal psychological experiments. For example, Fitt’s Law allows convenient menu access (at the top), and conveniently moving the dock to another monitor (by smashing the mouse pointer to the bottom edge of that monitor and holding it there).
There can be no doubt that a text entry box which is transparent to text below it, as seen in Tahoe’s Settings app, is a bad idea. But if you do doubt, you can prove it by experiment.
How the interface operates is not exactly subjective. There are obviously facts about how it functions. However, how one responds to that interface is, indeed, subjective. Note that I used the words “interface preferences” in that sentence. (Exhibit 1: Some people lover Windows way more than Mac OS and some love Mac OS way more than Windows.)
In addition, one aspect of the current Mac OS interface is that many things can easily be change to be more in line with your preferences. For example, it is pretty easy to disable that transparency in Mac OS (and in iOs). In fact, for some of us with vision issues that's a necessity... but easy to do.
I suppose it is fine to lock yourself into an earlier version as long as it still works fine for you, but I don’t see any reason to avoid upgrading.
It’s only 3 to 5 weeks until the release of Golden Gate, which fixes most or all of Tahoe’s UI problems, and Sequoia is still receiving security updates, and will for another year. If your machine can run Golden Gate, and is still on Sequoia, I think it would be best just to wait for Golden Gate, and perhaps the first update of Golden Gate if you’re not eager for some feature in it. On the other hand, if it’s even possible with the applied firmware updates, I think it would be silly to try to downgrade a Tahoe machine to Sequoia for just a few weeks.
I'll agree with you on waiting to see what the new interface looks like rather than upgrading now if you are still using an older version of the OS.
On the other hand, I would not be in too great of a hurry to move to this new OS on a work-centric photography machine since there are some pretty significant changes. (You may have seen the warnings about the need to use Rosetta if you have some old software, for example some of the tools that come with Epson printers.)
Recent updates have not created any problems for me with my Epson printers, but in the past there were some serious issues that made it better to wait and see. I'll probably update my non-photo Mac pretty quickly with the new OS, but I'll wait at least a week or two to upgrade my Photoshop machine and let others be the beta testers on that. And when I do update... I'm make sure I have at least one solid backup of my entire system and external drives.
melcat wrote: gdanmitchell wrote:
Interface preferences are a pretty subjective thing
They’re really not. The original Mac interface was arrived at after two years of prototyping and formal psychological experiments. For example, Fitt’s Law allows convenient menu access (at the top), and conveniently moving the dock to another monitor (by smashing the mouse pointer to the bottom edge of that monitor and holding it there).
There can be no doubt that a text entry box which is transparent to text below it, as seen in Tahoe’s Settings app, is a bad idea. But if you do doubt, you can prove it by experiment.
How the interface operates is not exactly subjective. There are obviously facts about how it functions. However, how one responds to that interface is, indeed, subjective. (Exhibit 1: Some people lover Windows way more than Mac OS and some love Mac OS way more than Windows.)
In addition, one aspect of the current Mac OS interface is that many things can easily be change to be more in line with your preferences. For example, it is pretty easy to disable that transparency in Mac OS (and in iOs). In fact, for some of us with vision issues that's a necessity... but easy to do.
quote]I suppose it is fine to lock yourself into an earlier version as long as it still works fine for you, but I don’t see any reason to avoid upgrading.
It’s only 3 to 5 weeks until the release of Golden Gate, which fixes most or all of Tahoe’s UI problems, and Sequoia is still receiving security updates, and will for another year. If your machine can run Golden Gate, and is still on Sequoia, I think it would be best just to wait for Golden Gate, and perhaps the first update of Golden Gate if you’re not eager for some feature in it. On the other hand, if it’s even possible with the applied firmware updates, I think it would be silly to try to downgrade a Tahoe machine to Sequoia for just a few weeks.
I'll agree with you on waiting to see what the new interface looks like rather than upgrading now if you are still using an older version of the OS.
On the other hand, I would not be in too great of a hurry to move to this new OS on a work-centric photography machine since there are some pretty significant changes. (You may have seen the warnings about the need to use Rosetta if you have some old software, for example some of the tools that come with Epson printers.)
Recent updates have not created any problems for me with my Epson printers, but in the past there were some serious issues that made it better to wait and see. I'll probably update my non-photo Mac pretty quickly with the new OS, but I'll wait at least a week or two to upgrade my Photoshop machine and let others be the beta testers on that. And when I do update... I'm make sure I have at least one solid backup of my entire system and external drives.
melcat wrote: gdanmitchell wrote:
Interface preferences are a pretty subjective thing
They’re really not. The original Mac interface was arrived at after two years of prototyping and formal psychological experiments. For example, Fitt’s Law allows convenient menu access (at the top), and conveniently moving the dock to another monitor (by smashing the mouse pointer to the bottom edge of that monitor and holding it there).
There can be no doubt that a text entry box which is transparent to text below it, as seen in Tahoe’s Settings app, is a bad idea. But if you do doubt, you can prove it by experiment.
How the interface operates is not exactly subjective. There are obviously facts about how it functions. However, how one responds to that interface is, indeed, subjective. (Exhibit 1: Some people lover Windows way more than Mac OS and some love Mac OS way more than Windows.)
In addition, one aspect of the current Mac OS interface is that many things can easily be change to be more in line with your preferences. For example, it is pretty easy to disable that transparency in Mac OS (and in iOs). In fact, for some of us with vision issues that's a necessity... but easy to do.
[.,,quote]I suppose it is fine to lock yourself into an earlier version as long as it still works fine for you, but I don’t see any reason to avoid upgrading.
It’s only 3 to 5 weeks until the release of Golden Gate, which fixes most or all of Tahoe’s UI problems, and Sequoia is still receiving security updates, and will for another year. If your machine can run Golden Gate, and is still on Sequoia, I think it would be best just to wait for Golden Gate, and perhaps the first update of Golden Gate if you’re not eager for some feature in it. On the other hand, if it’s even possible with the applied firmware updates, I think it would be silly to try to downgrade a Tahoe machine to Sequoia for just a few weeks.
I'll agree with you on waiting to see what the new interface looks like rather than upgrading now if you are still using an older version of the OS.
On the other hand, I would not be in too great of a hurry to move to this new OS on a work-centric photography machine since there are some pretty significant changes. (You may have seen the warnings about the need to use Rosetta if you have some old software, for example some of the tools that come with Epson printers.)
Recent updates have not created any problems for me with my Epson printers, but in the past there were some serious issues that made it better to wait and see. I'll probably update my non-photo Mac pretty quickly with the new OS, but I'll wait at least a week or two to upgrade my Photoshop machine and let others be the beta testers on that. And when I do update... I'm make sure I have at least one solid backup of my entire system and external drives.
melcat wrote: gdanmitchell wrote:
Interface preferences are a pretty subjective thing
They’re really not. The original Mac interface was arrived at after two years of prototyping and formal psychological experiments. For example, Fitt’s Law allows convenient menu access (at the top), and conveniently moving the dock to another monitor (by smashing the mouse pointer to the bottom edge of that monitor and holding it there).
There can be no doubt that a text entry box which is transparent to text below it, as seen in Tahoe’s Settings app, is a bad idea. But if you do doubt, you can prove it by experiment.[/quote0
How the interface operates is not exactly subjective. There are obviously facts about how it functions. However, how one responds to that interface is, indeed, subjective. (Exhibit 1: Some people lover Windows way more than Mac OS and some love Mac OS way more than Windows.)
In addition, one aspect of the current Mac OS interface is that many things can easily be change to be more in line with your preferences. For example, it is pretty easy to disable that transparency in Mac OS (and in iOs). In fact, for some of us with vision issues that's a necessity... but easy to do.
[.,,quote]I suppose it is fine to lock yourself into an earlier version as long as it still works fine for you, but I don’t see any reason to avoid upgrading.
It’s only 3 to 5 weeks until the release of Golden Gate, which fixes most or all of Tahoe’s UI problems, and Sequoia is still receiving security updates, and will for another year. If your machine can run Golden Gate, and is still on Sequoia, I think it would be best just to wait for Golden Gate, and perhaps the first update of Golden Gate if you’re not eager for some feature in it. On the other hand, if it’s even possible with the applied firmware updates, I think it would be silly to try to downgrade a Tahoe machine to Sequoia for just a few weeks.
I'll agree with you on waiting to see what the new interface looks like rather than upgrading now if you are still using an older version of the OS.
On the other hand, I would not be in too great of a hurry to move to this new OS on a work-centric photography machine since there are some pretty significant changes. (You may have seen the warnings about the need to use Rosetta if you have some old software, for example some of the tools that come with Epson printers.)
Recent updates have not created any problems for me with my Epson printers, but in the past there were some serious issues that made it better to wait and see. I'll probably update my non-photo Mac pretty quickly with the new OS, but I'll wait at least a week or two to upgrade my Photoshop machine and let others be the beta testers on that. And when I do update... I'm make sure I have at least one solid backup of my entire system and external drives.
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