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 Your thoughts on qualtiy+compact film camera vs x100vi/Fuji apsc digital | |
fjablo wrote:
Yogifi wrote:
bwcolor wrote:
Good choice of cameras. I’ll toss in my opinions regarding various ‘M’ cameras should the topic arise, but right now, just a mention regarding film choice. First, you are in a major center for creating images, developing film and brick and mortar camera stores.
You might research shooting Kodak Vision 3 cinema films respooled for your new camera. Kodak is transitioning these from old stock which includes a black anti-halation layer which must be removed prior to development to an AHU technology that provides anti-halation, but like other film stocks, can be processed in normal C41 chemicals vs the cinema film specific ECN2 process. Plenty of YouTube content to cover every aspect of these films. Have fun with your new camera and process.
Appreciate the info it's the first I've heard of it and will keep it in mind. A little much for me at the moment but I will refer back to your post if I run into the topic again.
It's funny, there's so much talk on the digital side of adding halation to images.
RoamingScott wrote:
Now grab a Voigt 28/2.8 Color Skopar, Nikon 35/2, or Voigt 40/2 Ultron for F mount and blast away =)
Appreciate the suggestions and I'll come back to this if I want to add wider lenses.
I've been trying to plan ahead for a 50mm to replace the 1.4 AF-D as the focus turning is so bad. I know the AI/s ones are supposed to be much better at manual focus...
Then I picked up a whiff of Voigtlander F mount lenses - the 58mm f1.4 and 55mm f1.2.
I was leaning towards the 58mm f1.4 but unsure. I'm thinking about them purely for the purpose of photos with people in them, and I'm not looking for 50mm f2 AI sharpness for those, just enough, and with a bit of character that isn't distracting and gives a nice feel, like the nokton 50mm/40mm f1.2 - but perhaps a little (little) bit more vintage but not boring.
But I thought let's just see if I can even focus anything at f1.4-f2 with the afd first, see how the roll turns out, how I like film etc. Just planning ahead.
I'll probably end up using whatever I get close to f2 and not at their widest, but appreciate how large aperture lenses can still look better in various ways than one with a max aperture at f2 for example, or even the same aperture.
I know the 58mm f1.4 has less vintage bokeh, just there isn't that much talk on them here, and had read up as many reviews and comparisons and videos online - but it's not like there are big groups on flickr for them. The one thread I found on it here, the OP returned the lens but I also know most of the people commenting are using it on digital.
I heard of the over-exposure with the 58mm f1.4 but not sure if that's going to affect me with the fm2n and setting the aperture with the lens.
The Voigtländer lenses are 100% compatible with the Nikon FM2n. They behave just like Nikon Ai-S glass (technically Ai-P because of the CPU contacts).
Bastian has reviewed both the 55mm f1.2 and 58mm f1.4, including some comparisons of bokeh: https://phillipreeve.net/blog/review-voigtlander-58mm-1-4-sl-iis-nokton-nikon-f/
They also have a review of the 50mm f1.4 AI-S on the site, but not a direct comparison:
https://phillipreeve.net/blog/review-nikon-nikkor-50mm-f-1-4-ai-s/
I own the 55mm f1.2 as well as the Nikon 50mm f1.4 Ai-S (and also have a 50mm f1.4 AF-D - same lens optically). The Voigtländer is beautifully made, but the Nikon is sharper and signficantly lighter, so I end up using it more often than the Voigtländer. Both are significantly better at f2 than wide-open, both in terms of sharpness but also bokeh quality imo.
The Nikon 50mm f2 is also a really nice lens and one of my favorites. I have a single-coated Nikkor-H variant that was made Ai-compatible, but easier to go for an Ai-version straight away. This is btw something you need to watch out for with legacy Nikon lenses in general - using a Non-Ai lens on the FM2n can damage the lens mount.
I missed this post when I wrote my previous response. Thank you very much for the trouble of going to get those links - I've actually been through all of bastian's work on this and I'm still not sure after reading them twice!
I will definitely remember that about non-aiS lenses and will hold off on the voigtlander for now. Let's see what my 50mm f1.4 AFd can do at f2 first, thank you kindly.
RoamingScott wrote:
I had the CV 58 and sold it pretty fast. It's HEAVY on a small Nikon film body and I didn't really like the rendering (but it's a Nokton and I've hated every Nokton I've tried).
I absolutely love the nokton 40 and 50mm f1.2 at around f1.6 - f2. This is why it's so hard to get an idea of some of these lenses from comments. Appreciate it's a different preference.
Even with reviews, I know what I don't want from reviews, but I don't know if it's what I want. I just want portrait portraits portraits but know from personal experience how hard it is to get someone to sit for those, let alone regular reviews. Bastian usually has a portrait in the same image, he had one of the 55mm f1.2 @ f1.2 that was lovely.
I know most prefer tighter focal lengths for those but I'm shooting family and friends not models and the modern digital is just too much.
Really... I want something that will perform and render similar to this at that distance:
(portrait by Andrej Russkovskij)
I think it's a 90mm medium format lens.
I don't need ultra sharp ... but since I'm on 35mm and not 120mm, perhaps I do?
Maybe the 50mm f2 will get closer but I'm not sure how the transition and out of focus would look.
I see people shooting nature with it a lot, reminds me of the apo-lanthar use case but maybe that's different on film...
Can 35mm film do this? I think it should be able to right but might need a 1.2 and stopped down to f1.8 or so? Just not sure what will get me there. Looks like around 40mm full-frame. The lens isn't listed... I actually emailed the photographer asking earlier today like the geek I am. But I'm hoping 35mm film can do something similar so I can actually use it more freely.
Camera will be here tomorrow hopefully but no film. Will try and check the shutter and spongeyness of the light blocking things and see what it's like looking through the viewfinder with the afd on it, but no batteries for a little while either.
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