Re: Leica M11-V to be announced (Now called Leica M EV1)
pmeheut wrote:
Also, we accept a lot from the rangefinder M because it is unique on the market. The EV1 is not.
Which is why folks modify a Sony > Kolari ... because there are so many other EV1's out there.
I'm not saying that there aren't a lot of EV options, because there are. But, that's removing the fundamental base aspect of the M from the equation. If folks want an M, then they want an M. If folks just want SOME camera, with an EVF ... a zillion options exist.
Imo, there's more to what makes an M, an M, than the rangefinder alone. Yet, some folks think that the only thing that makes an M, differentiated from the available market offerings is the rangefinder. In that regard, folks should be looking at non-M options, since there are "so many other" options out there that tick the EV box.
It might sound pedantic, but the salient question is this:
Do you want an M, with an EVF?
vs.
Do you want SOME camera with an EVF?
Which ultimately begs the question that comes around to our decisions for which glass are we shooting / why are we choosing to shoot said glass.
I'd suggest that for folks who are really dissatisfied with the route that Leica is going here ... get a Sony and buy the E- versions of Voigtlander's manual focus lenses (or Nikon counterpart, etc.).
I mean, heck if you're already vested in Leica M glass ... sell it, replace it with E- glass and pocket a mint divesting from Leica to Sony, moving away from M to E-. What, you want to keep your M glass because of XYZ? Hmmm?
To the point that we have carried in certain historic perspectives ... Voigtlander's (et al) recent offerings liberate folks from the M mount altogether if they so choose.
No longer are folks beholden to the M mount for the tactile, manual focusing experience that the M lenses have retained for generations. But, for folks who prefer M mount glass (vs. E-, etc.) mount glass on an M mount body, then it's either the M or adaptation, and the caveats that come with adaptation ... i.e. larger body in the SL, optical IQ degradation in the Sony, or modifying with the Kolari, etc.
Re: Leica M11-V to be announced (Now called Leica M EV1)
pmeheut wrote:
Also, we accept a lot from the rangefinder M because it is unique on the market. The EV1 is not.
Which is why folks modify a Sony > Kolari ... because there are so many other EV1's out there.
I'm not saying that there aren't a lot of EV options, because there are. But, that's removing the fundamental base aspect of the M from the equation. If folks want an M, then they want an M. If folks just want SOME camera, with an EVF ... a zillion options exist.
Imo, there's more to what makes an M, an M, than the rangefinder alone. Yet, some folks think that the only thing that makes an M, differentiated from the available market offerings is the rangefinder. In that regard, folks should be looking at non-M options, since there are "so many other" options out there that tick the EV box.
It might sound pedantic, but the salient question is this:
Do you want an M, with an EVF?
vs.
Do you want SOME camera with an EVF?
Which ultimately begs the question that comes around to our decisions for which glass are we shooting / why are we choosing to shoot said glass.
I'd suggest that for folks who are really dissatisfied with the route that Leica is going here ... get a Sony and buy the E- versions of Voigtlander's manual focus lenses (or Nikon counterpart, etc.).
I mean, heck if you're already vested in Leica M glass ... sell it, replace it with E- glass and pocket a mint divesting from Leica to Sony, moving away from M to E-. What, you want to keep your M glass because of XYZ? Hmmm?
To the point that we have carried in certain historic perspectives ... Voigtlander's (et al) recent offerings liberate folks from the M mount altogether if they so choose.
No longer are folks beholden to the M mount for the tactile, manual focusing experience that the M lenses have retained for generations. But, for folks who prefer M mount glass (vs. E-, etc.) mount glass on an M mount body, then it's either the M or adaptation, and the caveats that come with adaptation ... i.e. larger body in the SL, optical IQ degradation in the Sony, or modifying with the Kolari, etc.
Re: Leica M11-V to be announced (Now called Leica M EV1)
pmeheut wrote:
Also, we accept a lot from the rangefinder M because it is unique on the market. The EV1 is not.
Which is why folks modify a Sony > Kolari ... because there are so many other EV1's out there.
I'm not saying that there aren't a lot of EV options, because there are. But, that's removing the fundamental base aspect of the M from the equation. If folks want an M, then they want an M. If folks just want SOME camera, with an EVF ... a zillion options exist.
Imo, there's more to what makes an M, an M, than the rangefinder alone. Yet, some folks think that the only thing that makes an M, differentiated from the available market offerings is the rangefinder. In that regard, folks should be looking at non-M options, since there are "so many other" options out there that tick the EV box.
It might sound pedantic, but the salient question is this:
Do you want an M, with an EVF?
vs.
Do you want SOME camera with an EVF?
Which ultimately begs the question that comes around to our decisions for which glass are we shooting / why are we choosing to shoot said glass.
I'd suggest that for folks who are really dissatisfied with the route that Leica is going here ... get a Sony and buy the E- versions of Voigtlander's manual focus lenses (or Nikon counterpart, etc.).
I mean, heck if you're already vested in Leica M glass ... sell it, replace it with E- glass and pocket a mint divesting from Leica to Sony, moving away from M to E-.
To the point that we have carried in certain historic perspectives ... Voigtlander's (et al) recent offerings liberate folks from the M mount altogether if they so choose.
No longer are folks beholden to the M mount for the tactile, manual focusing experience that the M lenses have retained for generations. But, for folks who prefer M mount glass (vs. E-, etc.) mount glass on an M mount body, then it's either the M or adaptation, and the caveats that come with adaptation ... i.e. larger body in the SL, optical IQ degradation in the Sony, or modifying with the Kolari, etc.
Choices ... the EV1 is now in the mix.
Choose your poison.
Nov 02, 2025 at 10:15 AM
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