Re: Leica M11-V to be announced (Now called Leica M EV1)
tigerlo wrote:
retrofocus wrote: algrove wrote: Steve Spencer wrote: RoamingScott wrote: Desmolicious wrote:If there was a legit FF M-Ev1 ‘copy’ at a fraction of the price, it would do really well. Especially seeing the gigantic lens ecosystem out there.
There is, and it does very well at an eight the cost. It just happens to be a Nikon.
Oh, and it auto focuses M lenses too.
Not really even close to a copy. It is a lot bigger. It has a much lower resolution sensor, which is not optimized for Leica M lenses. It is shaped like an SLR instead of a rangefinder. Not really the same thing as a FF-EV1 clone at all. I think there is still room for a FF EV1 clone and especially one that has a native M mount to take advantage of the huge lens ecosystem.
Think, another PIXII model perhaps.
Not successful if their pricing is aligned with current Leica M pricing. Such EVF-based M camera has to be substantially lower in cost to make it successful in the market. Western based manufacturers are not able to handle this IMO. If we ever see such camera hitting the market, it will most likely - I know I repeat myself here - coming from China.
China is world factory, not world philanthropy organization. They manufacture cheap goods because they still can earn money from it, not because they are idiotic. The key of low manufacturing cost is huge volume. If you really think design and manufacture small m-mount evf camera is profitable, no one stop you to fly to Shenzhen, visit a consumer electronic ODM to propose your business idea. I wholeheartedly hope you can successfully implement this camera, just like I hope Sigma can add mechanical shutter and EVF into the successor of FP-L, then heartbroken seeing the spec of “BF”, or hoping Epson (Cosina) pushing out full frame version of RD1, or Nikon can build a ZF with FM2’s form factor. Maybe it’s really hard to squeeze all the functionality into a fairly constrained form factor, and we can have more respect on Leica’s engineering effort to provide a camera even with this price tag.
I believe that there is a market for such fully electronic camera - actually much easier to manufacture than any other MLC since it does not require any AF, IBIS capability and other bells and whistles. As I said earlier, an older FF sensor will be sufficient, too - around 24 or 36 MP maybe. No micro lenses but just thin sensor cover like Kolari does it in their modifications. A good but not superb EVF is sufficient to cut the price additionally a bit. Doesn't take much to see a good business idea here - it will sell if offered for around $1500 (just to approximate a price range compared to your favored Leica product).
When it concerns you that not too many of such copied EVF-M mount cameras would be sold - do you think Thypoch 50/1.4 lenses for example are made in the millions for what they cost compared to 50/1.4 Summilux lenses - of course not exactly the same image but close enought for > 90% what is needed! They are a niche product as everything else for M-mount. And it works!
Re: Leica M11-V to be announced (Now called Leica M EV1)
tigerlo wrote:
retrofocus wrote: algrove wrote: Steve Spencer wrote: RoamingScott wrote: Desmolicious wrote:If there was a legit FF M-Ev1 ‘copy’ at a fraction of the price, it would do really well. Especially seeing the gigantic lens ecosystem out there.
There is, and it does very well at an eight the cost. It just happens to be a Nikon.
Oh, and it auto focuses M lenses too.
Not really even close to a copy. It is a lot bigger. It has a much lower resolution sensor, which is not optimized for Leica M lenses. It is shaped like an SLR instead of a rangefinder. Not really the same thing as a FF-EV1 clone at all. I think there is still room for a FF EV1 clone and especially one that has a native M mount to take advantage of the huge lens ecosystem.
Think, another PIXII model perhaps.
Not successful if their pricing is aligned with current Leica M pricing. Such EVF-based M camera has to be substantially lower in cost to make it successful in the market. Western based manufacturers are not able to handle this IMO. If we ever see such camera hitting the market, it will most likely - I know I repeat myself here - coming from China.
China is world factory, not world philanthropy organization. They manufacture cheap goods because they still can earn money from it, not because they are idiotic. The key of low manufacturing cost is huge volume. If you really think design and manufacture small m-mount evf camera is profitable, no one stop you to fly to Shenzhen, visit a consumer electronic ODM to propose your business idea. I wholeheartedly hope you can successfully implement this camera, just like I hope Sigma can add mechanical shutter and EVF into the successor of FP-L, then heartbroken seeing the spec of “BF”, or hoping Epson (Cosina) pushing out full frame version of RD1, or Nikon can build a ZF with FM2’s form factor. Maybe it’s really hard to squeeze all the functionality into a fairly constrained form factor, and we can have more respect on Leica’s engineering effort to provide a camera even with this price tag.
I believe that there is a market for such fully electronic camera - actually much easier to manufacture than any other MLC since it does not require any AF, IBIS capability and other bells and whistles. As I said earlier, an older FF sensor will be sufficient, too - around 24 or 36 MP maybe. No micro lenses but just thin sensor cover like Kolari does it in their modifications. A good but not superb EVF is sufficient to cut the price additionally a bit. Doesn't take much to see a good business idea here - it will sell if offered for around $1500 (just to approximate a price range compared to your favored Leica product).
Oct 27, 2025 at 12:16 PM
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