RustyRus wrote: bernardl wrote:
I still have hard time understanding this concern with shooting RED raw. I just bought two 2TB Nextorage CF4.0 cards for 430 US$ each leverage Amazon time sale (high end Japanese brand recommended by Nikon, former Sony engineers) and external SSDs can be had for very cheap once that is supported in firmware.
All it would take is to use the RED Raw files for editing and then convert them to H.265 for archival to limit hard disk storeage needs. That it will at worst still be slightly better than in camera H.265 (even if Nikon fixed the current softness issue).
Cheers,
Bernard
So buy 1 thousand dollars worth of CF 4.0 cards, and a few external SSD's for another thousand bucks-
Also wait for firmware-
Then connect one of those to SSD's with a mini hdmi cable to the camera while recording....Then at the end of all of it, convert to the very codec we are saying should look better out of camera?
Not following your logic here Bernad!!
I am of course not saying that Nikon shouldn't improve their H.265 output and I agree that the appeal of the ZR would be further extended if they did.
But the logic is quite obvious isn't it? You get a much better quality and flexibility to grade and correct issues in post. Even if the scale of the benefits may depend on the application.
It's the exact same logic photographers have always been using when shooting raw vs jpg.
There is indeed a cost associated to this and the ratio of file size is larger than for stills. But even with this amount spent on media, you are still at the cost of a C50 or FX3 without anything, right?
RustyRus wrote: bernardl wrote:
I still have hard time understanding this concern with shooting RED raw. I just bought two 2TB Nextorage CF4.0 cards for 430 US$ each leverage Amazon time sale (high end Japanese brand recommended by Nikon, former Sony engineers) and external SSDs can be had for very cheap once that is supported in firmware.
All it would take is to use the RED Raw files for editing and then convert them to H.265 for archival to limit hard disk storeage needs. That it will at worst still be slightly better than in camera H.265 (even if Nikon fixed the current softness issue).
Cheers,
Bernard
So buy 1 thousand dollars worth of CF 4.0 cards, and a few external SSD's for another thousand bucks-
Also wait for firmware-
Then connect one of those to SSD's with a mini hdmi cable to the camera while recording....Then at the end of all of it, convert to the very codec we are saying should look better out of camera?
Not following your logic here Bernad!!
I am of course not saying that Nikon shouldn't improve on their H.265 output and agree that the appeal of the ZR would be further extended if they did.
But the logic is quite obvious isn't it? You get a much better quality and flexibility to grade and correct issues in post. Even if the scale of the benefits may depend on the application.
It's the exact same logic photographers have always been using when shooting raw vs jpg.
There is indeed a cost associated to this and the ratio of file size is larger than for stills. But even with this amount spent on media, you are still at the cost of a C50 or FX3 without anything, right?
RustyRus wrote: bernardl wrote:
I still have hard time understanding this concern with shooting RED raw. I just bought two 2TB Nextorage CF4.0 cards for 430 US$ each leverage Amazon time sale (high end Japanese brand recommended by Nikon, former Sony engineers) and external SSDs can be had for very cheap once that is supported in firmware.
All it would take is to use the RED Raw files for editing and then convert them to H.265 for archival to limit hard disk storeage needs. That it will at worst still be slightly better than in camera H.265 (even if Nikon fixed the current softness issue).
Cheers,
Bernard
So buy 1 thousand dollars worth of CF 4.0 cards, and a few external SSD's for another thousand bucks-
Also wait for firmware-
Then connect one of those to SSD's with a mini hdmi cable to the camera while recording....Then at the end of all of it, convert to the very codec we are saying should look better out of camera?
Not following your logic here Bernad!!
I am of course not saying that Nikon shouldn't improve on their H.265 output and agree that the appeal of the ZR would be further extended if they did.
But the logic is quite obvious isn't it? You get a much better quality and flexibility to grade and correct issues in post. Even if the benefits may depend on the application.
It's the exact same logic photographers have always been using when shooting raw vs jpg.
There is indeed a cost associated to this and the ratio of file size is larger than for stills. But even with this amount spent on media, you are still at the cost of a C50 or FX3 without anything, right?
Cheers,
Bernard
Oct 14, 2025 at 01:21 AM
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