old-gregg wrote: j4nu wrote:
So, no blown highlights, nor crushed shadows = subtle variation in the middle...
Thank you for saying this. Many people misinterpret DR, thinking it's some kind of a upper/lower hard boundary. It's a far more neuanced phenomena. Not only it's different for each of the RGB channels, but it also has an ugly cousin called signal-to-noise ratio. This leads to funny business in the shadows and highlights even for well-exposed photographs, particularly as the ISO raises. And, as you correctly pointed out, DR plays a role in tonal transitions, especially (again) at higher ISOs.
That 1EV gap of DR between the Sony A7R V and the Nikon Z8 one can see in charts on photonstophotos? I see the extra harshness in transitions in ISO400+ images almost every day, as I own both cameras. Yes, I pixel peep to see it, but it's there. Is the stacked sensor worth the trade-off? No fuскing way in 90% of use cases. In fact, I used to be puzzled by the enthusiasm with which the online photo community embraced stacked sensors. Why would anyone agree to trade off DR, which is useful 100% of the time, for 20fps bursts which is needed... almost never? And, by the way, you don't need a stacked sensor for a class-leading AF-C, as demonstrated by the A7RV.
I have a theory that explains this collective insanity though. As smartphones were getting better and better, fewer and fewer people used dedicated digital cameras. I personally know several folks who will list photography as their #1 hobby, who left DSLRs behind and are perfectly happy with RAW files coming out of their iPhone Pro Max. This exodus completely chnanged the composition of photo genres that the remaining MILC users practice. Everyone is either a video content creator, or an action/bird photographer now, because an iPhone still sucks at that. This shift is noticeable even in the galleries hosted here. Feels very different vs 2005-2010 when we had more variety.
Fuсk the stacked sensor pandemic, and I blame iPhones for it.
Greg, you are exactly right and I think you said it better than I did. People don't get how huge a huge deal 1 stop of DR is.
Back in 2017, the 6Dii was released with 0.2 stops less DR than the 6D. Look at what Carey Rose wrote:
old-gregg wrote: j4nu wrote:
So, no blown highlights, nor crushed shadows = subtle variation in the middle...
Thank you for saying this. Many people misinterpret DR, thinking it's some kind of a upper/lower hard boundary. It's a far more neuanced phenomena. Not only it's different for each of the RGB channels, but it also has an ugly cousin called signal-to-noise ratio. This leads to funny business in the shadows and highlights even for well-exposed photographs, particularly as the ISO raises. And, as you correctly pointed out, DR plays a role in tonal transitions, especially (again) at higher ISOs.
That 1EV gap of DR between the Sony A7R V and the Nikon Z8 one can see in charts on photonstophotos? I see the extra harshness in transitions in ISO400+ images almost every day, as I own both cameras. Yes, I pixel peep to see it, but it's there. Is the stacked sensor worth the trade-off? No fuскing way in 90% of use cases. In fact, I used to be puzzled by the enthusiasm with which the online photo community embraced stacked sensors. Why would anyone agree to trade off DR, which is useful 100% of the time, for 20fps bursts which is needed... almost never? And, by the way, you don't need a stacked sensor for a class-leading AF-C, as demonstrated by the A7RV.
I have a theory that explains this collective insanity though. As smartphones were getting better and better, fewer and fewer people used dedicated digital cameras. I personally know several folks who will list photography as their #1 hobby, who left DSLRs behind and are perfectly happy with RAW files coming out of their iPhone Pro Max. This exodus completely chnanged the composition of photo genres that the remaining MILC users practice. Everyone is either a video content creator, or an action/bird photographer now, because an iPhone still sucks at that. This shift is noticeable even in the galleries hosted here. Feels very different vs 2005-2010 when we had more variety.
Fuсk the stacked sensor pandemic, and I blame iPhones for it.
Greg, you are exactly right and I think you said it better than I did. People don't get how huge a huge deal 1 stop of DR is.
Back in 2017, the 6Dii was released with 0.2 stops less DR than the 6D. Look at what Carey Rose wrote:
