fredmiranda.com
Login

  

  Previous versions of johnvanr's message #16881399 « Now ditching the M11? »

  

johnvanr
Offline
Upload & Sell: On
Re: Now ditching the M11?


1bwana1 wrote:


johnvanr wrote:
tzhang4284 wrote:
johnvanr wrote:
1bwana1 wrote:


johnvanr wrote:
RustyBug wrote:
Lens haptics
Body haptics

The VF experience (optical / electronic / rangefinder / visoflex / etc.) is a product of the body. Body form factor.

Whereas tactile manual focusing / proper DOF scales / lens size.

I think where folks get into "difficulty" with the M is that some folks like it for the body experience (including RF), whereas others like it for the lens experience. Some like it for both. Some don't like either.

Understanding which side of the equation in the M world (lens vs. body vs. neither vs. both) is most important to you ... is key (imo) to understanding how you want to build your strategy. If the unique properties / attributes of the body / lens aren't calling to you ... then, yeah ... why have your resources (money, time, bag space, shelf space, etc.) tied up in it.

Given the variety of considerations, you might want to take a "blank paper" approach ... and list out what your criteria is (regardless of platform / system). It might be that no single system will cover them, then it is a matter of assessing a concise approach to building the multi-platform system.


That said, there's this other thing ... JOY ... which of your gear brings you JOY. Since you don't seem overly resource constrained, this could be a key determinant to help you separate the wheat from the chaff. It's one thing to have a variety of tools that can do a lot of different things, but when you get right down to brass tacks ... is there something that brings you more joy than others. OR ... is the basis of your joy in having the versatility of such tools.

Tough question to look in the mirror sometimes. But, if you're gonna noodle out the riddle of your conundrum, it may require some tough questions / decisions. The matrix of options / scenarios is grand ... if streamlining is your mission ... yeah, you're gonna have to cut some things that you otherwise like. And, that's a task not everyone enjoys doing. So, it's key to lean into that decision making process in a way that offers a more focused joy outcome, that trumps the unjoyful process of streamlining when you've got plenty of options.

HTH



There’s no one system that would do it for me, I’m pretty sure of that. It would be a very lengthy post discussing why, though.


I am thinking that as far as image creation goes almost any of the larger camera makers could provide a solution in a single system of a few bodies and compatible lenses. Although we can't see a good crossection of your images here I am betting that if you review your portfolio you will see that this is true.

So it must be form factor, workflow, and shooting experience that you are trying to optimize. Which system provides your favorite workflow?



As I've stated many times before, I want a Contax G-sized FF digital camera, with similar small and excellent lenses, but a better viewfinder and AF than the G offered. I'd still miss zone focusing, but I'd have my small FF kit with superb glass and AF.


You should really just pick up a Sony A7CR with the 24mm and 40mm. All they’re missing is a 90mm but Sigma has a 90mm.


No Sony for me.


And yet if you leave the name off the gear Sony makes the gear that comes closest to your Unicorn camera. Plus Sony is the core technology in all but the Canon gear.

Hard to rationalize that sort of bias.

Hard to understand that one.


I understand people can take issue with my gear preferences and constant doubts. It's true that I could settle for one or two setups and maybe enjoy the experience. I won't go into that now, because that's a completely different topic.

But I don't think I should be attacked for my dislike of Sony. I've had Sony cameras three times, from the early A7R to the A7R4, with gaps. I've also rented the A1 and I've tried the A7CR at B&H. They just never did it for me and when I used them for a while, on a trip or so, I missed other gear I left at home. Since I do this for fun, my cameras should be fun to use.

At the moment I only have cameras I like to use. That part is not debatable.

Some of you may not agree with my choices, but that's okay. I also didn't ask anybody about whether I should buy Sony or what I should buy instead of a M11. I asked whether I missed something in thinking I should sell my M11.

Another part of this equation which isn't discussed is that I think I've been clear in that I do like my M lenses. I like to keep using them. Going Sony with Sigma or small Sony lenses doesn't address that. Even Sony with Zeiss Loxia lenses doesn't address that, because of all the three large brands' MF aided, I find Sony's the least usable.



Aug 31, 2025 at 02:03 AM





  Previous versions of johnvanr's message #16881399 « Now ditching the M11? »