Re: After testing Z8 and having focus issues I may go to the Sony A7RV
AlphaPhotography wrote:
You find it ridiculous that the new user of a camera system who asked for advice and instead received dozens (hundreds?) of attacks and accusations from the community he's just joined could be pushed towards another brand?
bernardl wrote: 1bwana1 wrote: bernardl wrote:
I have acknowledged the summary created by the neutral observer.
I am stating facts resulting from first hand experience with Sony and Nikon cameras. The fact that you consider these as inflammatory or negative is surprising. And I don't believe you have first hand experiences demonstrating that I am wrong.
Cheers,
Bernard
Your experiences are not facts that apply to other people. Just like your conclusion about the OP are not facts.
I am not trying to disprove anything about which camera performs at what level. That has never been the point of my posts in this thread.
How would you know that the fact of my positive experiences using the Z8 in an optimized way with excellent results does not apply to other people?
You have not tried my recommendations, the OP has not tried them either. Others did tried them and reproduced my results.
The answer is that it doesn't match your view that Sony's eye AF is superior. That's all there is to it, isn't it?
So I am sorry, I fail to understand the objective of your posts in this thread.
And I did not present my conclusions about the motivation of the OP as a fact. This is clearly my opinion but based on a reasonable set of observations. Could there be another interpretation? Yes certainly, but I don't see how it would be more likely. I certainty find ridiculous the idea that a person would sell or buy a camera because people are, according to you, unfriendly in a forum.
Cheers,
Bernard
I find the idea that such a thing (people giving up on a camera based on some forum feedbacks) could happen completely ridiculous yes.
Even my 12 yo daughter would not adopt such a self defeating behavior. If you buy a camera you are reasonably convinced it can work for you, which means solve a problem you are facing or in other words deliver value to you. Then you study and try to make it work. When someone gives you advice, you try to follow that advice because you are looking for a solution. And, weeks later, if things still don't work then you consider another option. That's what real people do.
But again, i don't think that that ridiculous thing actually happened. I believe that the OP never intended to use his Z8. And even if he did, if he is not willing/able the adopt the obvious process I described above, I don't believe he ever was serious about his needs nor about finding solutions to the problems he claimed he faced.
I have participated in my fair share of RFPs in corporate settings. We know right away whether the person in front of you actually is serious and really involved in something. Nothing in the behavior of the OP conveys any hint about true involvement.
Re: After testing Z8 and having focus issues I may go to the Sony A7RV
AlphaPhotography wrote:
You find it ridiculous that the new user of a camera system who asked for advice and instead received dozens (hundreds?) of attacks and accusations from the community he's just joined could be pushed towards another brand?
bernardl wrote: 1bwana1 wrote: bernardl wrote:
I have acknowledged the summary created by the neutral observer.
I am stating facts resulting from first hand experience with Sony and Nikon cameras. The fact that you consider these as inflammatory or negative is surprising. And I don't believe you have first hand experiences demonstrating that I am wrong.
Cheers,
Bernard
Your experiences are not facts that apply to other people. Just like your conclusion about the OP are not facts.
I am not trying to disprove anything about which camera performs at what level. That has never been the point of my posts in this thread.
How would you know that the fact of my positive experiences using the Z8 in an optimized way with excellent results does not apply to other people?
You have not tried my recommendations, the OP has not tried them either. Others did tried them and reproduced my results.
The answer is that it doesn't match your view that Sony's eye AF is superior. That's all there is to it, isn't it?
So I am sorry, I fail to understand the objective of your posts in this thread.
And I did not present my conclusions about the motivation of the OP as a fact. This is clearly my opinion but based on a reasonable set of observations. Could there be another interpretation? Yes certainly, but I don't see how it would be more likely. I certainty find ridiculous the idea that a person would sell or buy a camera because people are, according to you, unfriendly in a forum.
Cheers,
Bernard
I find the idea that such a thing (people giving up on a camera based on some forum feedbacks) could happen completely ridiculous yes.
Even my 12 yo daughter would not adopt such a self defeating behavior. If you buy a camera you are reasonably convinced it can work for you and then you study and try to make it work. When someone gives you advice, you try to follow that advice because you are looking for a solution. And, weeks later, if things still don't work then you consider another option. That's what real people do.
But again, i don't think that that ridiculous thing actually happened. I believe that the OP never intended to use his Z8.
Cheers,
Bernard
Jan 29, 2025 at 12:19 AM
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