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 Re: Official: Leica SL3-S Mirrorless camera announced! | |
tzhang4284 wrote:
RustyBug wrote:
tzhang4284 wrote:
stgrove wrote:
Your opinion. For myself I traded my SL2S for the SL3S because I could tell a bitg difference in my hand when handling the SL3 and SL2s [lus the with difference. Now let's get to the UI improvements, (customizable UI main screen a big deal to me) longer battery life makes sense especially when one can set to auto off to 30sec and with the tap of the shutter it comes on in a nanosecond, common size to SL3 and much better AF capabilities and all focus factors. not to mention dramatic improvement in AF points etc. CFe card and on and on.
If you do not own or have not spent time with an SL3 oe SL3S you do not know what you are missing. I speak from hands on exerpeince instead of just looking at online spec sheets.
Glad you like it but everything you laid out is pretty much table stakes in a modern DSLR-style mirrorless camera from Canon, Sony, Nikon and Panasonic. The SL2-S is a low bar to compare against vs literally every other camera at this price point and below. I've also used all the recent Leica cameras outside of the SL line and tried the SL a while back too actually - pretty sure I'm not missing anything.
To me, Leica is at its best when it offers unique value and differentiation for the customer - I don't see it here. Like you said though, my opinion, so if you can afford it and like it, enjoy.
I don't really think the SL3-S is anything to compare vs. the other brands. I think it is to be compared to the SL2-S, to assess the improvements.
The other brands, the spec on their cameras ... means you're foregoing the opportunity to shoot with Leica glass at its optimum. Plenty of glass options out there. But, for folks who prefer Leica glass, that means shooting on a Leica body. Imo, the reason to shoot Leica brand is for their glass and the user experience, the bodies are then, kinda like the groom for the bride. 
The mention of the "low bar" ... I think that depends on which bar you are using. For some, the user experience is a highly valued bar. For others, the spec sheet is their highly valued bar.
Case in point (going back a few years) ... I was shooting my Canon's (pre-Leica) and the Sony A7 series was all the rage. But, every time I picked it up to use ... I hated it in my hand. I even went so far as to buy a grip for it, so I could demo with a grip (local stores didn't stock the grip). Still hated it.
So, since you have mentioned you have no experience with the SL line (recent models) ... your statement of "pretty sure I'm not missing anything" ... kinda leaves the user experience off the table, for being able to assess what it is like to use the SL2-S or the SL3-S. Going off your memory of the original SL (how long did you use that), likely isn't fully relative to the current user experience with the SL2-S or SL3-S.
Just sayin' ...
I'll address two points:
1. "you're foregoing the opportunity to shoot with Leica glass at its optimum."
This is true only if you're planning on shooting the SL APO primes and makes sense in my mind for the SL3 but not the SL3-S - why buy a 24mp to shoot prime lenses designed for 100mp? The rest of the collection are mostly re-housed Sigma and Panasonic lenses that have no difference on any L-mount body and you can buy them cheaper from Sigma and Panasonic. In fact, I noticed over the years Sigma lenses tend to render a bit warmer and some of the reviews of the Sigma rebadges mentioned that the "new leica zooms" render warmer than traditional leica lenses so there's nothing new there too beyond a re-housing.
2. "So, since you have mentioned you have no experience with the SL line (recent models) ... your statement of "pretty sure I'm not missing anything" ... kinda leaves the user experience off the table, for being able to assess what it is like to use the SL2-S or the SL3-S. Going off your memory of the original SL (how long did you use that), likely isn't fully relative to the current user experience with the SL2-S or SL3-S. "
The UI value proposition from Leica is that it's supposed to be consistent across all their products. What does Leica offer on the SL3 or SL3-S that's different than the Q3 aside from the L-mount and DSLR style ergonomics? I have yet to see any convincing arguments that shows it's uniquely different enough to warrant trying it out.
The you have to try it to understand it argument is a poor one when it's obvious there's nothing new here. But like I said, if you can afford it and want it, go for it - I'm just stating the obvious in response to your original question on what's new here.
I understand ... I just was pointing out that the comparison to other options isn't the most salient point of comparison. (imo) The MOST salient point of comparison is SL2-S > SL3-S. Well, at least for those who are already shooting the SL2-S. For folks who are looking to the SL3-S as their entry point into the Leica ethos ... I'm sure they'll find alternatives that may be compelling on paper vs. $$$.
I can't speak for others, but I don't think a lot of folks jump into the SL directly from other systems. I know I transitioned from Canon > Leica over time. One of those things where the more I used it, the more I liked it. And, ultimately ... it is a matter of using what you like to use. If a person doesn't like it better, then yeah ... there are alternatives. I think everyone already knows that.
As to the APO glass being "designed for 100MP" (that's a bit of a misnomer though), there's also the matter of the M glass on the SL platform, and the cover glass thickness, etc. that makes the SL platform an alternative to the Sigma / Panny bodies (in the L Alliance). That, and by design ... the Alliance rounds out the options from Panny / Siggy to co-exist with the APO levels, providing such choices for the consumer. So, where there may be some folks who prefer their M glass, even if it isn't SL APO level (vast size difference as well), M glass performs well on the SL2-S (hence, the question of where a 24MP sensor would make sense), and subsequently still will on the SL3-S.
I think to appreciate things, one has to take a systemic look at how the pieces fit together vs. the spec sheet alone. Certainly, more than one way to skin the cat, but you can't just toss the baby out with the bathwater either, on spec vs. $$$ alone. Been there, done that ... only to later learn some different stuff.
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