Looks like Leica is moving away from your preferences and you will need to pony up for the more expensive special additions. The good news is that you still have the choice to do that.
yeah with the M range i suppose i am a luddite.
"you will need to pony up for the more expensive special additions. The good news is that you still have the choice to do that."
unfortunately, that is the case. but even with the more expensive special additions of M11 it's still not really what i prefer (except for the black paint with brass top)... but hey i suppose Leica needs to push the envelope with the M range, and i respect that.
despite all my complaints. IF the future M is finally shutterless i'll probably be more accepting with whatever they try to change with the M...but hopefully they don't get rid of the analog rangefinder.
I will be surprised if future M cameras are shutterless in the near term. That would take a fast stacked sensor. It just doesn't seem the direction the M is headed. I am guess they will stay with the current 60mpx for at least another generation. Then bump the resolution, and Dynamic Range if possible, not the speed.
I don't think the M cameras will ever be completely shutterless. Don't forget that Leica has used a shutter to protect the sensor when changing lenses since the first digital M. That is unlikely to change. Digital M cameras have always been mirrorless, despite other brands claiming they came up with that, and using shutters as sensor shields.
I expect the M12 will have a dual View Finder allowing both EVF and Range Finder options with the push of a button. This was not confirmed last time I spoke with Stephan Daniel about it but the smile in his face has me convinced.
I am hopeful that we will also get IBIS but this is more speculative rather than likely at this point.
Doing a bit of studying from the Horshack info on readout speeds, I noticed the M11 had the most # of bands being read (39/40), with the SL2 less (14/15) and the Q2 even less (6). Granted the difference between the M11 vs. SL2/Q2 has some diff in pixel rows, but that is a factor of .x%, while the bands being read out is a factor of 2.x% between models. The 14 Bit Hassy is around 68 bands, so it seems that there is a strong correlation between # bands being read vs. readout speed vs. DR, etc.
To that, I'd agree that the ethos for the M series is going to continue to be IQ ... not speed, so I don't thing a shutterless stacked sensor (i.e. reducing DR / IQ, etc.) is in the cards for an M series either. If speed is the desired attribute, the SL / Q models lean that way, and could get a bit quicker for readouts if you drop them to 12 bit (option). I think Leica has very distinctly engineered the way they are processing the different models to what they want them to be ... not for what they aren't (that others, i.e. some Sony models / Canon, etc. are). I think Leica has no interest in ever making readout speeds that are compromising on their sense of requisite IQ. Point being ... I'd be surprised (and I'm personally hoping not) if they went with a stacked sensor.
Although, as I'm looking forward to the announcement of the SL3-S ... IF they were going to incorporate a stacked sensor, that's a case use where they might go "fit for purpose". Personally, I'm hoping it retains the deep well approach of the SL2, just a few more pixels (rather than speed vs. IQ).
As to IBIS ... that would add bulk to the body, so that one's kinda "on the fence" for an M. I think folks would like the dual EVF / RF combo more than a larger body. Now, if the engineering is needed to be a smidge bigger for BOTH, I think folks might be okay with that. Just not sure the body thickness of the current SL (accommodating IBIS) is a keen attractor for M users. But, time will tell.
Looks like Leica is moving away from your preferences and you will need to pony up for the more expensive special additions. The good news is that you still have the choice to do that.
yeah with the M range i suppose i am a luddite.
"you will need to pony up for the more expensive special additions. The good news is that you still have the choice to do that."
unfortunately, that is the case. but even with the more expensive special additions of M11 it's still not really what i prefer (except for the black paint with brass top)... but hey i suppose Leica needs to push the envelope with the M range, and i respect that.
despite all my complaints. IF the future M is finally shutterless i'll probably be more accepting with whatever they try to change with the M...but hopefully they don't get rid of the analog rangefinder.
I will be surprised if future M cameras are shutterless in the near term. That would take a fast stacked sensor. It just doesn't seem the direction the M is headed. I am guess they will stay with the current 60mpx for at least another generation. Then bump the resolution, and Dynamic Range if possible, not the speed.
I don't think the M cameras will ever be completely shutterless. Don't forget that Leica has used a shutter to protect the sensor when changing lenses since the first digital M. That is unlikely to change. Digital M cameras have always been mirrorless, despite other brands claiming they came up with that, and using shutters as sensor shields.
I expect the M12 will have a dual View Finder allowing both EVF and Range Finder options with the push of a button. This was not confirmed last time I spoke with Stephan Daniel about it but the smile in his face has me convinced.
I am hopeful that we will also get IBIS but this is more speculative rather than likely at this point.
Doing a bit of studying from the Horshack info on readout speeds, I noticed the M11 had the most # of bands being read (39/40), with the SL2 less (14/15) and the Q2 even less (6). Granted the difference between the M11 vs. SL2/Q2 has some diff in pixel rows, but that is a factor of .x%, while the bands being read out is a factor of 2.x% between models. The 14 Bit Hassy is around 68 bands, so it seems that there is a strong correlation between # bands being read vs. DR, etc.
To that, I'd agree that the ethos for the M series is going to continue to be IQ ... not speed, so I don't thing a shutterless stacked sensor (i.e. reducing DR / IQ, etc.) is in the cards for an M series either. If speed is the desired attribute, the SL / Q models lean that way, and could get a bit quicker for readouts if you drop them to 12 bit (option). I think Leica has very distinctly engineered the way they are processing the different models to what they want them to be ... not for what they aren't (that others, i.e. some Sony models / Canon, etc. are). I think Leica has no interest in ever making readout speeds that are compromising on their sense of requisite IQ. Point being ... I'd be surprised (and I'm personally hoping not) if they went with a stacked sensor.
Although, as I'm looking forward to the announcement of the SL3-S ... IF they were going to incorporate a stacked sensor, that's a case use where they might go "fit for purpose". Personally, I'm hoping it retains the deep well approach of the SL2, just a few more pixels (rather than speed vs. IQ).
As to IBIS ... that would add bulk to the body, so that one's kinda "on the fence" for an M. I think folks would like the dual EVF / RF combo more than a larger body. Now, if the engineering is needed to be a smidge bigger for BOTH, I think folks might be okay with that. Just not sure the body thickness of the current SL (accommodating IBIS) is a keen attractor for M users. But, time will tell.
Dec 30, 2024 at 08:13 PM
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