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 Re: Is Nikon AF (Z9/8) really that much worse? | |
duncangr wrote:
tabishshaikh wrote:
duncangr wrote:
matth4ever wrote:
I've used the R5, R5 ii, A1, Z8, Z9 all extensively for birds and other wildlife - both portraits and action.
The R5 ii's autofocus is the best I've used to date. It finds the subject a little faster than all the others mentioned, and is less prone to mistaking high contrast in either the foreground or background as the subject. It is very sticky during action as well. The A1 is almost as good re. 'stickiness', but I find it is more prone to be distracted by high contrast (eg. water ripples). The Z8 and Z9 autofocus is good if not great most of the time, but in my experience is a little slower to find the subject, and less 'sticky'. I've also found both the Z8 and Z9 can miss focus slightly on occasion, even if the focus indicator appears to be locked on the eye. That said, at 20 fps, I usually get a more than enough in-focus frames, especially for static subjects.
But as the op says, the Nikon lens selection for wildlife is absolutely heads and tails above both Canon and Sony. The TC lenses are absolutely awesome. For subjects that are static or moving slowly, I will typically much prefer the Z8 or Z9 with a TC lens than either Canon or Sony system.
If the subject is static or moving slowly (and this includes very large raptors flying) I'll take the A7r5 over anything else. A built in TC offers little other than a minor convenience and that at a hefty additional cost. Heck you can buy a Sony 600 f/4 and an a7r5 for the same price as the Z600TC. You might even have change left over for the 1.4TC.
The dream team to me for wildlife is the A9iii, A7r5 300/f2.8 and 600 f/4 + 1.4 and 2.0 TCs. Lightest, fastest, highest resolution and DR all in a simple bundle of 2 lenses and 2 cameras. All in one carry-on bag - just perfect.
As a wildlife photographer having a TC built in your lens is a dream come true. Many photographers will support the fact that it is not just a minor convenience but a must-have. Coming to the pricing (bhphoto) - Sony 600 f4 is 12,998$, a7RV $3,398.00 , Sony 1.4x TC - $548, and Nikon 600mm f/4 TC - $14,496.95 so not sure how the Sony combo is cheaper.
Looking at a system from the perspective of just photographing birds is pretty naive.
Each to their own - I did say "the dream team for ME".
Not sure why you think this is only suitable for birds though - I shoot big game and landscapes too. A7r5 with its 60mp and better dynamic range is easily the best wildlife/landscape camera I have used. Suitable for everything apart from fast action - and with 60mp you don't even need a TC you can just crop  .
If you're not shooting birds in flight why compromise with a stacked sensor image quality when 99.99% of the time you don't need the stacked sensor.
It seems contradictory to on the one hand say you pick the very finest lenses (assuming they are) and on the other hand go with a compromised sensor when 99% of the time you don't need that stacked sensor. Why not just use the Z7ii with its better dynamic range. The autofocus would be more than adequate most of the time.
In Australia prices seem quite different.
FE600 AU$18,000
A7r5 AU$4500
TC2 AU600
FE300 AU7900
Z600 AU$23,000
Z7 ii has better dynamic range and slightly lower noise if I remember correctly than Z8; Having own both and Z9,
if I just look at a raw file without looking at exif data, there is no way that I can tell which picture is taken by which camera.
Never once that I process a Z8 file and wish that it was a Z7 ii because I can push the file more in post processing.
I also own GFX100 which I think the file is incredible (but I don't really care for Fuji color, I usually have to work more in
post processing to get the color to what I like) but I never once had a picture ruin because I was using z9/Z8 instead of GFX100. Sometimes people just spend too much time looking at lab number as if the slight difference is really that big a deal
in practice. I do take out Zf a bit more often than Z8 when not shooting action and hardly touch my Z 7ii now, not because of the sensor choice but I like the form factor and the feel of using it especially with techart M to z adapter and my other smaller manual lenses. Nowaday, camera are so good that dynamic range and noise level is not the major consideration anymore and different cameras have more to offer than just lab value, I think.
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