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 Re: Official Announcement: Leica Q3 43 Digital Camera Released! | |
TENOG wrote:
1bwana1 wrote:
TENOG wrote:
1bwana1 wrote:
Raptor_Fan76 wrote:
Was this a comment intended to troll, or do you genuinely believe what you wrote? I’m terrible at recognizing sarcasm, so have to ask.
tzhang4284 wrote:
taking your statement to its logical conclusion, why stop at the D-Lux 8? Just go with an iPhone 16 Pro - you get an even wider focal range and more megapixels with a free phone and computer thrown in.
My guess is that neither one of you has spent time shooting the D-Lux 8. I have, and Huss is correct. The D-Lux 8 is a full fledged Leica camera now. It offers the same owner, and shooting experience that all the current Leica cameras do. Same materials, same buttons, same communication protocols, same integration with FOTOS, same workflow, same menus, same DNG files (now 12 bit) . Everything. Hold one in your hand. Shoot one. You will see that Huss is correct. The D-Lux 8 has been upgraded from the original shared Panasonic version. Yes, this includes the sensor. The images the D-Lux 8 produces are excellent for most use cases. For sure sharing digitally, and even printing to a larger size than most of us do most often. I have posted many D-Lux images here on FM. You would likely find it impossible to recognize any difference from the M11 images I have posted.
You will never get this kind of shooting experience, nor image quality using any current smart phone.
The zoom lens is very good for a zoom. I believe that Leica has done similar computational optimizations with the lens as the have with the Q. They even crop the resolution and FL bit doing this like the Q(x). The lens was designed for use on this one sensor by Leica, with all the advantages that that implies. Yes, it is manufactured by Panasonic. Did you know that Panasonic's Yamagata lens manufacturing facility is possibly the most advanced small aspherical lens manufacturing facilities in the World? They are capable of making ASPH lenses with multiple times less tolerances than other facilities. They make these type of lenses for many of the big "prestige" companies.
https://www.dpreview.com/articles/2764178778/a-focus-on-aspherics-panasonic-lens-factory-tour
Although it has Panasonic roots in its lineage, Panasonic has never made a version like the current D-Lux 8. No other manufacturer has either.
Huss fully understands this, and is 100% correct in his statement. I shoot it regularly alongside my M11, and current collection of latest generation of Leica M lenses. The D-Lux 8 is much closer in experience to the Q family of cameras than it is to the M. I would buy the new Q3 43 if I didn't already own the D-Lux 8. But for my use case, and in most circumstances (there are exceptions) it is as good as a Q(x) . Form Factor is often preferable to the Q(x) or M cameras.
No I am not trolling, and not being sarcastic. Neither is Huss. Try one before judging so harshly.
You are mistaken about something you wrote about the improved quality of the D-Lux 8. The D-Lux 8 has the same sensor and lens as the D-Lux 7 and the Panasonic LX100II. And the D7 and Panasonic are essentially the same camera, except that the D7 has a Red Dot and costs twice as much.
You need to read more carefully. My statement was that the D-Lux 8 has a different sensor than the original version shared with Panasonic, not the D-Lux 7. It is a completely different sensor than the original. You might want to research that.
At the same time it is also true that the D-Lux 8 has been given a higher Dynamic Range Score than the D-Lux 7, now has unlimited video recording, produces 12 bit RAW DNG files, and other things. Some of these may be the resalt of sensor optimizations so that the two sensors are not perfectly identical. It is fuzzy at this point which is why I made the claim referencing only the original sensor.
So my post is absolutely correct, it is yours that need corrcting.
I stand corrected, sir. I assumed you were referring to the LX100II, not the LX100 which came out in 2014 and is now so outdated that it is not a subject of conversation or comparison to the newer models. Nowhere is it ever mentioned in reviews today, so why would you even consider it in comparison to the newest model? Nevertheless, you did and you are right, it is vastly inferior. But also note that my comments were only about the sensor and lens in the two latest models. They are the same. You might want to research that yourself, as you said. As for the other improvements you mentioned I agree with you. But the guts are the same. Leica has been criticized everywhere for not having upgraded the sensor or making the camera weather resistant. Upgraded view finder, restyled body, DNG RAW, and upgraded viewfinder are the biggest changes, but I doubt any of them produce any better final IQ than the D7 or LX100II.
For sure I would prefer weather sealing. In fact, I don't understand not weather sealing an every day camera with a fixed lens. Makes no sense to me.
I have seen conflicting discussions regarding the latest two sensors as I have said. Leica originally listed the D-Lux 7 sensor as a MOS sensor it it own literature. Other reviewers have done the same. Still others listed it also as a CMOS sensor like the D0-Lux 8. The difference in construction of MOS to CMOS sensors result increased dynamic range, and more energy efficient/cooler running sensors. Both of these attributes have changed in the D-Lux 8 as evidenced by the DXO DR ratings, and the now unlimited video recording time. I remain unconvinced which is why I called it "fuzzy" but worth mentioning.
I also have read all the negative posts. But the fact is that the current upgrade is compelling enough that the D-Lux 8 has been backordered since release, and there are still long waiting lists in most resellers. Even the new Q3 43 is not in such short supply. Of course we can't know the supply/demand ratios of the two models to make solid conclusions from just that.
My personal experience with the camera has been good, and I own and have experience with the best Leica equipment available. I am not disappointed with image quality from the D-Lux 8. It is all personal preference.
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