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 Re: Voigtlander 50mm f/3.5 APO-Lanthar Review | |
Fred Miranda wrote:
highdesertmesa wrote:
Fred Miranda wrote:
highdesertmesa wrote:
Fred Miranda wrote:
rsolti13 wrote:
Fred Miranda wrote:
Update: I’ve confirmed that I’ll be receiving a Leica M11 loan from Leica in a few days. This will give me the chance to compare both Voigtlander 50mm APO-Lanthar lenses on the 61MP sensor. I’m also interested in seeing if the latest firmware has improved the stability of the M11 series, as I encountered several freezes with earlier versions.
You of all people....don't see how you don't get an M11 after trying it right now. I loved my M10-R for multiple reasons, and was the best M I'd ever used. The M11 colors aren't anywhere near as good out of camera as the M10-R, but that can easily be fixed and the rendering/sharpness of the M11 files make you say wow when you open them in LR.
I have mixed feelings about the M11 for several reasons. Initially, I was concerned about camera stability, especially after trying several M11 cameras with issues, though that seems to be less of an issue now. While the colors are accurate, they’re almost too precise for my taste, and there’s that magenta tint in all the images, which I’m not a fan of. The open sensor attracts more dust, and I find the shutter action (closing, opening, closing, and opening for every shot ) quite irritating... The shutter noise when turning the camera on reminds me of the M10-R in LV mode, which I also don’t like.
On the upside, the M11 offers around 20% higher linear resolution, though this is mainly noticeable in the center of the frame if you use the right shutter speeds and has a high performer lens. The improved battery life is another plus, but beyond that, there’s not much else that stands out to me, especially since I focus with the rangefinder, which hasn’t changed at all.
I'll give the M11 another shot with the latest firmware, and if it impresses me, I might consider trying the new M11-D. But honestly, I'm really satisfied with the M10-R at the moment.
You’ll probably like the electronic shutter for wide open shooting in bright daylight.
The M11 now has a menu option that closes the shutter when you change lenses or turn off the camera. I found stubborn dust spots a problem with the M10 cameras, the kind of dust that requires a wet cleaning versus a blower. On the M11, everything that got on the sensor could blow off with a filtered bulb blower. Makes me wonder if they added a coating on the M11 cover glass to make it more slippery, IDK.
I completely understand why many people enjoy shooting with electronic shutters, but it’s just not for me, especially with a Leica M. It takes away the joy of the experience for me personally. I enjoy the feel of mechanical components, and electronic advancements don’t really impress me. For that, I prefer shooting with other mirrorless cameras like the SL. I’m perfectly fine adding an ND filter when needed, just like I would when shooting film.
Dust was never an issue with the M10 series, even though I switch lenses frequently. However, I noticed significantly more dust with the M11, similar to what I see with my other mirrorless cameras.
I had the M11 for several months when it was first released, and as you mentioned, there have been improvements to the firmware regarding the shutter action. I’m curious to give it another try...
I totally get all of that! There was definitely a part of the M "soul" that was lost with the M11 shutter versus the previous cameras. Sounds like a big stapler. I got used to it I guess, but I never liked it. Interestingly, the new shutter they had to design for the SL3 so it would fit the smaller body is louder than the SL2/SL2-S. But it reminds me of shooting with a mirrored film camera, so I kind of like it. I do wish Leica would add EFCS to their cameras. That would greatly benefit both the M11 and SL3 shutter sounds.
Interesting we had opposite experiences with dust regarding M10-R versus M11. Now that I think about it, I may have shot the M10-R and M10M stopped down more often to f/11 and sometimes f/16 where dust starts to show up. With the M11, I rarely stopped down past f/5.6 and only sometimes to f/8.
I wasn't aware that the SL3 shutter is louder than the SL2. Thanks for the heads-up! It would definitely be nice to have the EFCS option, but I've found the mechanical shutter to have low vibration. The worst I've encountered was with the original A7R!
The SL3 shutter is a completely new design, but so far I haven't noticed any shutter shock at 100mm and shorter. I have a feeling that might change with long telephotos. I did notice minor shutter shock on the SL2-S when using the Sigma 60-600 at the 400-600 end of the range (handheld or monopod). There was a meaningful improvement in sharpness with the electronic shutter at those focal lengths, but of course it's only viable for still subjects like landscape, stationary perched birds, etc. At 60mp with the SL3, it will be interesting to see how the mechanical shutter does from 400-600mm.
Reportedly the shutter used in the SL3 was the only one their supplier had that would fit in the SL3, so Leica says, "it is what it is" with regard to the sound. The SL3 shutter sounds more like a "snap" versus the SL2 shutter that sounds more like a "shuffle" sound.
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