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 Re: Official Canon EOS R5 Mark II Images & Specifications | |
molson wrote:
Jman13 wrote:
molson wrote:
Jman13 wrote:
molson wrote:
Jman13 wrote:
molson wrote:
Jman13 wrote:
However: why is it that of all the camera manufacturers, only Nikon allows shutter speeds longer than 30 seconds without bulb? There are some others (Panasonic, maybe Olympus) that will go to 60 seconds...but Nikon can go to 900 seconds (15 minutes) in manual mode without using bulb.
Fuji cameras have had timed shutter speeds down to 60 minutes for years now.
Yes, they do in the T mode on the dial, which is close enough. Forgot about that. Still...all should have it. Seems easy enough.
The Nikon cameras only allow the longer shutter speeds in Manual mode. The Sony A7R V also does timed exposures down to 15 minutes in Timed Bulb mode, which is essentially the same thing. The Canon R5 does Timed Bulb exposures down to 99 hours, 59 minutes, and 59 seconds.
Yes, I'm well aware of the timed bulb modes in Canon (and I mention it in my post)...but you have to menu dive for it, set the time in the menu, and then get out and shoot. And of course it's going to do it only in manual mode...if you're shooting at ultra-long exposures, you're going to be in manual mode anyway.
Pressing a couple of buttons and setting the exact exposure time you want isn't really any harder than scrolling and scrolling and scrolling to get down to the some arbitrary long exposure time closest to the one you want, is it?
Yeah, it's a pain. Just now I pulled out my R8 and went to go set it.
First, I need to get a general idea of the exposure. Since there is no metering in Bulb mode at all, and the bulb timer only works when sent to Bulb mode, first I need to go into Manual mode, and see what the metering is at 30s. 3 stops underexposed? Ok, so I'll need a 4 minute exposure.
Second, I need to turn it into bulb mode (then the option becomes available).
Then I have to remember where in the damn menus the setting is. If I go 2 months between needing this, that can be a pain. I even have it in my My Menu (3rd page), but I missed it the first time through and ended up spending over a minute looking through all the menu pages trying to find it. Then I have to select 'Enable' after going into the menu option. Then press Info (and dont forget to press info, because just hitting enable will just leave it at whatever you had set before), then scroll over to the the minutes, press Set, then press up or down until 4 is set. Then press Set again to confirm.
Then I need to remember to either tap "OK" on the screen, or navigate over to the OK button and confirm it, because even after you've set it, if you get out by half pressing the shutter button, it won't save the time setting you've just set. (I have forgotten this step to my frustration many, many times). Then you can go ahead and exit the menu and tap the shutter to expose.
Then, if your exposure is actually still a little dark and you want to go to, say, 6 minutes, you need to go back to the menu, re-enter, make sure you confirm, etc.
On my Nikons: Go to Manual mode, meter at 30s, calculate that I need a 4 minute exposure, then move the dial 5 notches to 240". Done. Need to go to 6 minutes? 4 more clicks. Done.
It's a LOT easier.
I just tried the same process with my Z8 for comparison... turn the camera on, find out the battery is dead again, put the battery on the charger... and in the mean time, three or four button presses and my R5 is set to the last long exposure time I used. Press OK and then press the shutter button. Way faster on the Canon! 
Just because you spent several minutes trying to remember how to operate your camera, doesn't make the process fundamentally worse.
Give me a break. From the time you've metered your exposure, to set the proper long exposure, even knowing where everything is takes a mode dial change, and a minimum of 7 button presses, plus whatever button presses you have to set the time, to lock in the correct exposure. Any changes to that exposure take an additional 7 button presses, and the multi-step order that has to be followed, including the dumb confirmation step, leads to potential errors.
Vs. moving a dial a couple notches.
They are not even remotely the same. I'm sorry, there is no way I can accept that menu diving and fiddling with menu settings and changing modes between metering is fundamentally as simple as continuing to adjust the shutter speed directly.
I'm in no way saying this is a deal-breaking problem with Canon cameras...it's not a huge deal, but it's still dumb, since it can be easily remedied by firmware.
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