Re: Official Canon EOS R5 Mark II Images & Specifications
rscheffler wrote: garyvot wrote:
Computational photography is everywhere around us. If anything, traditional camera makers are far behind where they should be in utilizing these techniques to improve image quality.
Interestingly, both the R5II and R1 include Canon's neural image processing for upscaling and denoising in-camera images. Seems to be a step in that direction yet hasn't been keyed in on by the Sonikon fanboys as example of compensation by Canon for their inferior hardware...
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indusphoto wrote:
(came here to learn more about R5II but seems like there is more talk about nikon then Canon).
The Sonikon faithful are out in force to be sure the Canon folks don't get too 'delusional' about the real world capabilities of the new cameras, which of course must be shown to only have performance advantages in 'inconsequential' photographic scenarios and therefore are once again examples of Canon continuing to lag behind the competition.
I'm kind of surprised by some getting all bent out of shape over the introductory price of the R5II (and probably also the R1 - I haven't yet read that thread). Canon almost always prices their higher-end cameras ~10% higher than the competition on introduction. IMO it's to take advantage of the early adopters. Given time the prices will come down and there will be a much smaller difference, if any, compared to the direct competition. The R5II's intro price isn't to lure in Sonikon shooters, it's to take advantage of the Canon shooters who would lose a lot more money switching systems than the $800 they'd save with the Z8, for example. Waiting for the dust to settle and price to moderate is part of the game, if you don't want to pay the early premium.
I agree that canon prices their cameras much higher to take advantage of the early adopters, at least in my country. I just bought a canon r6ii a few months back just because it was so heavily discounted. Granted every manufacturers discount their cameras after a while, canon seems to do it so much more. The canon r6ii so like 30% cheaper than a7m4 when it is on sale. Assuming canon is not selling r5 anymore, there is a pretty big gap in price between r6ii and r5ii.
Nikon seems to be pricing their camera at a point to lure people to switch.
At the end of the day, people want different things. To me,
I want a high speed Electronics shutter so the higher the read out the better.
I want good AF tracking but current state of the art for both sony and canon is really good already.
I want the back screen tilting for a7r5/z8 which impacts quite a bit in everyday usage.
I want it to be light and CHEAP.
Nikon z8 is almost perfect except it is heavy. its price is reasonable so I don't understand why no manufacturers have done a camera like z8 but in a lighter body at that price point (USD3.5k) (a7r5/z7/r5 size).
I am pretty sure z7iii will be my ideal camera. BTW, I am not a Nikon fan as I never bought a single Nikon mirrorless, although I did own and used the D750 for many years.
Re: Official Canon EOS R5 Mark II Images & Specifications
rscheffler wrote: garyvot wrote:
Computational photography is everywhere around us. If anything, traditional camera makers are far behind where they should be in utilizing these techniques to improve image quality.
Interestingly, both the R5II and R1 include Canon's neural image processing for upscaling and denoising in-camera images. Seems to be a step in that direction yet hasn't been keyed in on by the Sonikon fanboys as example of compensation by Canon for their inferior hardware...
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indusphoto wrote:
(came here to learn more about R5II but seems like there is more talk about nikon then Canon).
The Sonikon faithful are out in force to be sure the Canon folks don't get too 'delusional' about the real world capabilities of the new cameras, which of course must be shown to only have performance advantages in 'inconsequential' photographic scenarios and therefore are once again examples of Canon continuing to lag behind the competition.
I'm kind of surprised by some getting all bent out of shape over the introductory price of the R5II (and probably also the R1 - I haven't yet read that thread). Canon almost always prices their higher-end cameras ~10% higher than the competition on introduction. IMO it's to take advantage of the early adopters. Given time the prices will come down and there will be a much smaller difference, if any, compared to the direct competition. The R5II's intro price isn't to lure in Sonikon shooters, it's to take advantage of the Canon shooters who would lose a lot more money switching systems than the $800 they'd save with the Z8, for example. Waiting for the dust to settle and price to moderate is part of the game, if you don't want to pay the early premium.
I agree that canon prices their cameras much higher to take advantage of the early adopters, at least in my country. I just bought a canon r6ii a few months back just because it was so heavily discounted. Granted every manufacturers discount their cameras after a while, canon seems to do it so much more. The canon r6ii so like 30% cheaper than a7m4 when it is on sale. Assuming canon is not selling r5 anymore, there is a pretty big gap in price between r6ii and r5ii.
Nikon seems to be pricing their camera at a point to lure people to switch.
At the end of the day, people want different things. To me,
I want a high speed Electronics shutter so the higher the read out the better.
I want good AF tracking but current state of the art for both sony and canon is really good already.
I want the back screen tilting for a7r5/z8 which impacts quite a bit in everyday usage.
I want it to be light and CHEAP.
Nikon z8 is almost perfect except it is heavy. its price is reasonable so I don't understand why no manufacturers have done a camera like z8 but in a lighter body at that price point (USD3.5k) (a7r5/z7/r5 size).
Re: Official Canon EOS R5 Mark II Images & Specifications
rscheffler wrote: garyvot wrote:
Computational photography is everywhere around us. If anything, traditional camera makers are far behind where they should be in utilizing these techniques to improve image quality.
Interestingly, both the R5II and R1 include Canon's neural image processing for upscaling and denoising in-camera images. Seems to be a step in that direction yet hasn't been keyed in on by the Sonikon fanboys as example of compensation by Canon for their inferior hardware...
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indusphoto wrote:
(came here to learn more about R5II but seems like there is more talk about nikon then Canon).
The Sonikon faithful are out in force to be sure the Canon folks don't get too 'delusional' about the real world capabilities of the new cameras, which of course must be shown to only have performance advantages in 'inconsequential' photographic scenarios and therefore are once again examples of Canon continuing to lag behind the competition.
I'm kind of surprised by some getting all bent out of shape over the introductory price of the R5II (and probably also the R1 - I haven't yet read that thread). Canon almost always prices their higher-end cameras ~10% higher than the competition on introduction. IMO it's to take advantage of the early adopters. Given time the prices will come down and there will be a much smaller difference, if any, compared to the direct competition. The R5II's intro price isn't to lure in Sonikon shooters, it's to take advantage of the Canon shooters who would lose a lot more money switching systems than the $800 they'd save with the Z8, for example. Waiting for the dust to settle and price to moderate is part of the game, if you don't want to pay the early premium.
I agree that canon prices their cameras much higher to take advantage of the early adopters, at least in my country. I just bought a canon r6ii a few months back just because it was so heavily discounted. Granted every manufacturers discount their cameras after a while, canon seems to do it so much more. The canon r6ii so like 30% cheaper than a7m4 when it is on sale. Assuming canon is not selling r5 anymore, there is a pretty big gap in price between r6ii and r5ii.
Nikon seems to be pricing their camera at a point to lure people to switch.
Jul 18, 2024 at 02:19 AM
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