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 Re: Official Z6 III Thread | |
bernardl wrote:
Do you have recent first hand experience with Z to FE adapters?
Yes, although my personal testing has been orientated primarily towards MF lenses. I do have an extensive E-Mount AF lens collection so have tried them just out of curiosity. They didn't come close to approaching the A1/native performance I am used to. To a large extent do to body capabilities more than adapting.
bernardl wrote:
If I am not mistaken you don’t own any Z mount camera, right?
Currently no, but have in the past. I do have the opportunity to shoot with Z cameras frequently, and made special efforts to do extensive Zf experimenting.
bernardl wrote:
I apologize but once again your comments very much feel part of a systematic campaign aimed at minimizing any advantage the Z platform has over Sony. In subtle but unmistakable ways.
Your concern level seems to increase at every major Nikon release.
Actually it is the opposite. My opinion of the Z platform has improved greatly since the releases of the Z9, Z8, Zf. Cameras that aside from form factor I have been very positive about. I anticipate that will continue with the Z6/7 III releases but without such reservations regarding form factor.
In contrast in seems that, as you did in this thread, you jump straight into wanting to compare each Nikon release to Sony cameras. It was you who did that, not me. I think that says a great deal. All I said in response was that I expect the Z6III to be better is some areas and not in others. No attack nor advocacy in such a statement.
bernardl wrote:
So your reactions do little but confirm the huge advantage resulting from adaptation. As a user of both systems I can testify of the tremendous value it does provide. The lack of weather sealing isn’t an issue for 99% of applications.
Again not so. I have been consistent about being dissatisfied regarding adapted lenses on both the Sony and Nikon system for years. This includes looks, convenience, and performance. I keep trying different adapters on different bodies in hopes of finding a mirrorless body that I would enjoy using my extensive Leica M mount lenses on. My recent experiments doing so with the Zf has not changed my position on this. I assign no advantage in this to either brand. As an aside this also includes adapting Leica M lenses on the Leica SL bodies, which in any case are also too large and heavy for me as well.
bernardl wrote:
Btw I got the chance to use the a9III and 50mm f1.2 GM in one of my usual test locations in the outskirts of Mumbai, India. Surprised how it often completely over exposes the first image after boot up (which itself is much slower than Nikon bodies). But anyways, overall nice results with AF in this super demanding application (shooting from moving car, typically less than 0.5s to acquire subject and focus). Hit rate seems very similar to what I got with an early Z9 firmware 2 years ago. Which is excellent.
The Sony isn’t as good at finding faces in the distance nor at recognizing partially obstructed ones, but is probably a bit more consistent getting the focus 100% right when it does.
And yes, this has nothing to do with the Z6III. 
Cheers,
Bernard
My intent is to find a good MF adapted body, not so much AF. I have an excellent AF body in the A1 that I am completely satisfied with. Fortunately for me and my use cases it has the largest, and highest quality ecosystem of native lenses available in the industry. All of my native E-Mount GM lenses have proper aperture rings on them, and are generally compact in comparison to equivelent Z mount lenses. They do well when shot either AF or MF, and have superb IQ. I have not been tempted to buy any non native AF lenses to adapt to the A1. Nothing to gain doing so. It appears you have found the need to fill voids in the Z mount lens ecosystem with non native lenses. Hopefully that need will go away as the Z mount develops. You made an interesting comment regarding the performance of your adapted AF lenses. I did shoot the Z9 system when it was released a couple of years ago. I found it short of the A1 at that time, as did most of the reviewers at that time. I have found the current Z9/8 firmware performance to be on par with the A1 in most circumstances, and possible even a bit better in others when using Nikon Z lenses. Same conclusions you seem to have drawn. So, you once again confirmed my dissatisfaction with adapted lenses. There is very often a price to be paid.
Finally, for my use I wouldn't trade my A1 for the A9III which i have had extensive opportunity to shoot. i wouldn't trade the DR and resolution for the speed of the A9III. I have no need for that kind of speed.
I have very high hopes for the Z6III. If it fulfills its potential it will finally give Nikon a competitive high volume, center of the market, camera for existing users, and to compete for new buyers. I look forward to some movement towards a Nikon market share recovery if it does. We will know soon.
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