Re: Canon R5 (and R5M2) vs Nikon Z8 (low light AF performance)
AmbientMike wrote:
I can't say using the Nikon to adapt Sony 50/1.2 makes too much sense to me, given nikon makes one.
Historically the ability to adapt EF lenses on Sony mirrorless bodies with decent AF was probably the most important factor that enabled Sony to win back quickly an important part of Canon’s high end users market share. In Japan 100% of the pros I know that used to shoot Canon all moved to Sony and they all continued at first to use their EF lenses through adaptors.
So the #1 use case is a Sony user owning the 50mm f1.2 GM interested in adding a Nikon body to their line up or to switch to Nikon. Many examples here at FM alone.
The #2 scenario is a Nikon user willing to add a Sony body such as the a9III to his line up for some specific need who would buy the 50mm f1.2 GM and want to use the lens also on his Nikon bodies when not needing the a9III and preferring to use his Z8/Z9 for resolution, colors, because he needs some Nikon lenses for a shoot,… that’s my case. It’s about the possibility to benefit from the strengths of 2 systems without having to duplicate lenses line up. Obvious cost savings.
The 3rd use case is someone preferring the Sony 50mm f1.2 that is significantly more compact to the Nikon lens while being excellent (comparing my copies the Nikon 50mm f1.2 S is better but others report the opposite so there may be sample variations). This is about having more options, freedom of choice. This includes all the cases where there are Sony FE mount lenses not available in Z mount. From Sony or from other vendors. I am sure that Nikon will release soon a 100-300mm f2.8 TC that will probably weight 2.4 kg, Sony has a fixed 300mm f2.8 that weights 1.5 kg. I will love to be able to decide if I prefer flexibility or weight. For me it will be flexibility but I will have the choice and I can change my mind any day.
All that should be familiar to Canon users who used to be able to adapt Nikon F mount lenses. Most of my former Canon DSLR shooting friends were adapting the Nikon 14-24mm f2.8 during the 8 years it took Canon to come up with a credible alternative. The EF mount was the universal DSLR mount now in mirrorless that is the Z mount. A difference of a few mm that to me changes the game. Or should at least be understood when picking a mount in which to invest big bucks for many years.
I shoot Fuji GFX also and my main issue with system is how limited lenses options are. I am disappointed by the look, optical issues (CA) and focusing speed of half of the lenses and would love to be able to adapt Hasselblad lenses (but I understand that will never happen because of flange distance and leaf shutter compatibility). So I know the feeling even if Canon RF obviously offers many more options. It’s still a single manufacturer and they will typically only offer one prime at each focal length. It’s just me but as creative person I prefer freedom of choice.
Call me a traditionalist if you will but to me photography is first about lenses. Especially now that all high end mirrorless bodies behave in similar ways from an AF point of view in the grand scheme of things. Bodies are a commodity, lenses are the differentiator.
Re: Canon R5 (and R5M2) vs Nikon Z8 (low light AF performance)
AmbientMike wrote:
I can't say using the Nikon to adapt Sony 50/1.2 makes too much sense to me, given nikon makes one.
Historically the ability to adapt EF lenses on Sony mirrorless bodies with decent AF was probably the most important factor that enabled Sony to win back quickly an important part of Canon’s high end users market share. In Japan 100% of the pros I know that used to shoot Canon all moved to Sony and they all continued at first to use their EF lenses through adaptors.
So the #1 use case is a Sony user owning the 50mm f1.2 GM interested in adding a Nikon body to their line up or to switch to Nikon. Many examples here at FM alone.
The #2 scenario is a Nikon user willing to add a Sony body such as the a9III to his line up for some specific need who would buy the 50mm f1.2 GM and want to use the lens also on his Nikon bodies when not needing the a9III and preferring to use his Z8/Z9 for resolution, colors, because he needs some Nikon lenses for a shoot,… that’s my case. It’s about the possibility to benefit from the strengths of 2 systems without having to duplicate lenses line up. Obvious cost savings.
The 3rd use case is someone preferring the Sony 50mm f1.2 that is significantly more compact to the Nikon lens while being excellent (comparing my copies the Nikon 50mm f1.2 S is better but others report the opposite so there may be sample variations). This is about having more options, freedom of choice. This includes all the cases where there are Sony FE mount lenses not available in Z mount. From Sony or from other vendors. I am sure that Nikon will release soon a 100-300mm f2.8 TC that will probably weight 2.4 kg, Sony has a fixed 300mm f2.8 that weights 1.5 kg. I will love to be able to decide if I prefer flexibility or weight. For me it will be flexibility but I will have the choice and I can change my mind any day.
All that should be familiar to Canon users who used to be able to adapt Nikon F mount lenses. Most of my former Canon DSLR shooting friends were adapting the Nikon 14-24mm f2.8 during the 8 years it took Canon to come up with a credible alternative.
I shoot Fuji GFX also and my main issue with system is how limited lenses options are. I am disappointed by the look, optical issues (CA) and focusing speed of half of the lenses and would love to be able to adapt Hasselblad lenses (but I understand that will never happen because of flange distance and leaf shutter compatibility). So I know the feeling even if Canon RF obviously offers many more options. It’s still a single manufacturer and they will typically only offer one prime at each focal length. It’s just me but as creative person I prefer freedom of choice.
Call me a traditionalist if you will but to me photography is first about lenses. Especially now that all high end mirrorless bodies behave in similar ways from an AF point of view in the grand scheme of things. Bodies are a commodity, lenses are the differentiator.
Re: Canon R5 (and R5M2) vs Nikon Z8 (low light AF performance)
AmbientMike wrote:
I can't say using the Nikon to adapt Sony 50/1.2 makes too much sense to me, given nikon makes one.
Historically the ability to adapt EF lenses on Sony mirrorless bodies with decent AF was probably the most important factor that enabled Sony to win back quickly an important part of Canon’s high end users market share. In Japan 100% of the pros I know that used to shoot Canon all moved to Sony and they all continued at first to use their EF lenses through adaptors.
So the #1 use case is a Sony user owning the 50mm f1.2 GM interested in adding a Nikon body to their line up or to switch to Nikon. Many examples here at FM alone.
The #2 scenario is a Nikon user willing to add a Sony body such as the a9III to his line up for some specific need who would buy the 50mm f1.2 GM and want to use the lens also on his Nikon bodies when not needing the a9III and preferring to use his Z8/Z9 for resolution, colors, because he needs some Nikon lenses for a shoot,… that’s my case. It’s about the possibility to benefit from the strengths of 2 systems without having to duplicate lenses line up. Obvious cost savings.
The 3rd use case is someone preferring the Sony 50mm f1.2 that is significantly more compact to the Nikon lens while being excellent (comparing my copies the Nikon 50mm f1.2 S is better but others report the opposite so there may be sample variations). This is about having more options, freedom of choice. This includes all the cases where there are Sony FE mount lenses not available in Z mount. From Sony or from other vendors. I am sure that Nikon will release soon a 100-300mm f2.8 TC that will probably weight 2.4 kg, Sony has a fixed 300mm f2.8 that weights 1.5 kg. I will love to be able to decide if I prefer flexibility or weight. For me it will be flexibility but I will have the choice and I can change my mind any day.
All that should be familiar to Canon users who used to be able to adapt Nikon F mount lenses. Most of my former Canon DSLR shooting friends were adapting the Nikon 14-24mm f2.8 during the 8 years it took Canon to come up with a credible alternative.
I shoot Fuji GFX also and my main issue with system is how limited lenses options are. I am disappointed by the look, optical issues (CA) and focusing speed of half of the lenses and would love to be able to adapt Hasselblad lenses (but I understand that will never happen because of flange distance and leaf shutter compatibility). So I know the feeling even if Canon RF obviously offers many more options. It’s still a single manufacturer and they will typically only offer one prime at each focal length. It’s just me but as creative person I prefer freedom of choice. Call me a traditionalist if you will but to me photography is first about lenses. Especially now that all high end mirrorless bodies behave in similar ways from an AF point of view in the grand scheme of things. Bodies are a commodity, lenses are the differentiator.
Re: Canon R5 (and R5M2) vs Nikon Z8 (low light AF performance)
AmbientMike wrote:
I can't say using the Nikon to adapt Sony 50/1.2 makes too much sense to me, given nikon makes one.
Historically the ability to adapt EF lenses on Sony mirrorless bodies with decent AF was probably the most important factor that enabled Sony to win back quickly an important part of Canon’s high end users market share. In Japan 100% of the pros I know that used to shoot Canon all moved to Sony and they all continued at first to use their EF lenses through adaptors.
So the #1 use case is a Sony user owning the 50mm f1.2 GM interested in adding a Nikon body to their line up or to switch to Nikon. Many examples here at FM alone.
The #2 scenario is a Nikon user willing to add a Sony body such as the a9III to his line up for some specific need who would buy the 50mm f1.2 GM and want to use the lens also on his Nikon bodies when not needing the a9III and preferring to use his Z8/Z9 for resolution, colors, because he needs some Nikon lenses for a shoot,… that’s my case. It’s about the possibility to benefit from the strengths of 2 systems without having to duplicate lenses line up. Obvious cost savings.
The 3rd use case is someone preferring the Sony 50mm f1.2 that is significantly more compact to the Nikon lens while being excellent (comparing my copies the Nikon 50mm f1.2 S is better but others report the opposite so there may be sample variations). This is about having more options, freedom of choice. This includes all the cases where there are Sony FE mount lenses not available in Z mount. From Sony or from other vendors. I am sure that Nikon will release soon a 100-300mm f2.8 TC that will probably weight 2.4 kg, Sony has a fixed 300mm f2.8 that weights 1.5 kg. I will love to be able to decide if I prefer flexibility or weight. For me it will be flexibility but I will have the choice and I can change my mind any day.
All that should be familiar to Canon users who used to be able to adapt Nikon F mount lenses. Most of my former Canon DSLR shooting friends were adapting the Nikon 14-24mm f2.8 during the 8 years it took Canon to come up with a credible alternative.
I shoot Fuji GFX also and my main issue with system is how limited lenses options are. I am disappointed by the look, optical issues (CA) and focusing speed of half of the lenses and would love to be able to adapt Hasselblad lenses (but I understand that will never happen because of flange distance and leaf shutter compatibility). So I know the feeling even if Canon RF obviously offers many more options. It’s still a single manufacturer and they will typically only offer one prime at each focal length. It’s just me but as creative person I prefer freedom of choice.
Re: Canon R5 (and R5M2) vs Nikon Z8 (low light AF performance)
AmbientMike wrote:
I can't say using the Nikon to adapt Sony 50/1.2 makes too much sense to me, given nikon makes one.
Historically the ability to adapt EF lenses on Sony mirrorless bodies with decent AF was probably the most important factor that enabled Sony to win back quickly an important part of Canon’s high end users market share. In Japan 100% of the pros I know that used to shoot Canon all moved to Sony and they all continued at first to use their EF lenses through adaptors.
So the #1 use case is a Sony user owning the 50mm f1.2 GM interested in adding a Nikon body to their line up or to switch to Nikon. Many examples here at FM alone.
The #2 scenario is a Nikon user willing to add a Sony body such as the a9III to his line up for some specific need who would buy the 50mm f1.2 GM and want to use the lens also on his Nikon bodies when not needing the a9III and preferring to use his Z8/Z9 for resolution, colors, because he needs some Nikon lenses for a shoot,… that’s my case. It’s about the possibility to benefit from the strengths of 2 systems without having to duplicate lenses line up. Obvious cost savings.
The 3rd use case is someone preferring the Sony 50mm f1.2 that is significantly more compact to the Nikon lens while being excellent (comparing my copies the Nikon 50mm f1.2 S is better but others report the opposite so there may be sample variations). This is about having more options, freedom of choice. This includes all the cases where there are Sony FE mount lenses not available in Z mount. From Sony or from other vendors. I am sure that Nikon will release soon a 100-300mm f2.8 TC that will probably weight 2.4 kg, Sony has a fixed 300mm f2.8 that weights 1.5 kg. I will love to be able to decide if I prefer flexibility or weight. For me it will be flexibility but I will have the choice and I can change my mind any day.
All that should be familiar to Canon users who used to be able to adapt Nikon F mount lenses. Most of my former Canon DSLR shooting friends were adapting the Nikon 14-24mm f2.8 during the 8 years it took Canon to come up with a credible alternative.
I shoot Fuji GFX also and my main issue with system is how limited lenses options are. I am disappointed by the look, optical issues (CA) and focusing speed of half of the lenses and would love to be able to adapt Hasselblad lenses. So I know the feeling even if Canon RF obviously offers many more options. It’s still a single manufacturer and they will typically only offer one prime at each focal length. It’s just me but as creative person I prefer freedom of choice.
Re: Canon R5 (and R5M2) vs Nikon Z8 (low light AF performance)
AmbientMike wrote:
I can't say using the Nikon to adapt Sony 50/1.2 makes too much sense to me, given nikon makes one.
Historically the ability to adapt EF lenses on Sony mirrorless bodies with decent AF was probably the most important factor that enabled Sony to win back quickly an important part of Canon’s high end users market share. In Japan 100% of the pros I know that used to shoot Canon all moved to Sony and they all continued at first to use their EF lenses through adaptors.
So the #1 use case is a Sony user owning the 50mm f1.2 GM interested in adding a Nikon body to their line up or to switch to Nikon. Many examples here at FM alone.
The #2 scenario is a Nikon user willing to add a Sony body such as the a9III to his line up for some specific need who would buy the 50mm f1.2 GM and want to use the lens also on his Nikon bodies when not needing the a9III and preferring to use his Z8/Z9 for resolution, colors, because he needs some Nikon lenses for a shoot,… that’s my case. It’s about the possibility to benefit from the strengths of 2 systems without having to duplicate lenses line up. Obvious cost savings.
The 3rd use case is someone preferring the Sony 50mm f1.2 that is significantly more compact to the Nikon lens while being excellent (comparing my copies the Nikon 50mm f1.2 S is better but others report the opposite so there may be sample variations). This is about having more options, freedom of choice. This includes all the cases where there are Sony FE mount lenses not available in Z mount. From Sony or from other vendors. I am sure that Nikon will release soon a 100-300mm f2.8 TC that will probably weight 2.4 kg, Sony has a fixed 300mm f2.8 that weights 1.5 kg. I will love to be able to decide if I prefer flexibility or weight. For me it will be flexibility but I will have the choice and I can change my mind any day.
All that should be familiar to Canon users who used to be able to adapt Nikon F mount lenses. Most of my former Canon DSLR shooting friends were adapting the Nikon 14-24mm f2.8 during the 8 years it took Canon to come up with a credible alternative.
Re: Canon R5 (and R5M2) vs Nikon Z8 (low light AF performance)
AmbientMike wrote:
I can't say using the Nikon to adapt Sony 50/1.2 makes too much sense to me, given nikon makes one.
Historically the ability to adapt EF lenses on Sony mirrorless bodies with decent AF was probably the most important factor that enabled Sony to win back quickly an important part of Canon’s high end users market share. In Japan 100% of the pros I know that used to shoot Canon all moved to Sony and they all continued at first to use their EF lenses through adaptors.
So the #1 use case is a Sony user owning the 50mm f1.2 GM interested in adding a Nikon body to their line up or to switch to Nikon. Many examples here at FM alone.
The #2 scenario is a Nikon user willing to add a Sony body such as the a9III to his line up for some specific need who would buy the 50mm f1.2 GM and want to use the lens also on his Nikon bodies when not needing the a9III and preferring to use his Z8/Z9 for resolution, colors, because he needs some Nikon lenses for a shoot,… that’s my case. It’s about the possibility to benefit from the strengths of 2 systems without having to duplicate lenses line up. Obvious cost savings.
The 3rd use case is someone preferring the Sony 50mm f1.2 that is significantly more compact to the Nikon lens while being excellent (comparing my copies the Nikon 50mm f1.2 S is better but others report the opposite so there may be sample variations). This is about having more options, freedom of choice. This includes all the cases where there are Sony FE mount lenses not available in Z mount. From Sony or from other vendors. I am sure that Nikon will release soon a 100-300mm f2.8 TC that will probably weight 2.4 kg, Sony as a fixed 300mm f2.8 that weights 1.5 kg. I will love to be able to decide if I prefer flexibility or weight. For me it will be flexibility but I will have the choice and I can change my mind any day.
All that should be familiar to Canon users who used to be able to adapt Nikon F mount lenses. Most of my former Canon DSLR shooting friends were adapting the Nikon 14-24mm f2.8 during the 8 years it took Canon to come up with a credible alternative.
Feb 29, 2024 at 02:49 PM
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