BastianK wrote:
If seeing the surroundings is so important (the only "real" argument for rangefinders),
you could just put in a small smartphone camera to show the surroundings in the EVF,
like modern iPhones already do it (I should probably get a patent on that idea...).
Now obviously you would have to sell that camera for less than the Q, because it would be a Q without lens and AF fluff.
So that camera would have way way way less margin than the vastly overpriced M-mount digital cameras we have today.
And if some fanboy wants to tell me how expensive the mechanics are, explain to me, why I can buy an MA
that has just the same "advanced mechanics" from the 1950s and in addition to that a really fancy digital camera from any other manufacturer with all the latest tech
for less than an M10r or an M11. The math just doesn't add up, the delta is the margin on the M cameras which is simply ridiculously high.
If I had a product like that and customers like that I would also protect that little bubble at all cost.
So, what numbers are you using to deem the margins on M cameras compared to the margins on other cameras?
Do you have the material composition / allows prices that Leica specs? Do you have the glass composition specs / prices on those raw materials. Do you have their employee wage scale? Do you have their R&D costs?
And, then do you have the same for the other manufacturers. I mean ... I work in manufacturing and hear folks grumble about margins, when they do NOT KNOW what the costs actually are? Do you know what they are? Do you know the cost difference in random sampling vs. 100% inspection?
You say "the math just doesn't add up" ... well, can you show the numbers that you are using? I'd like to see those numbers for all that goes in to deriving such an assertion. Which BTW ... all sustainable manufacturing has to have margins of profitability that "don't add up" to the casual consumer.
What numbers do you have regarding Leica's manufacturing business? Sony's, Canon's, Nikon's, Voigtlander, Hasselblad, etc. Sure volume and margin are interrelated to certain degree.
If you want to get going on ridiculous margins ... ummm, ever buy a Coke ... or, a bottle of water. I know those costs to manufacturer because it has been my job to improve the ROI on the manufacturing throughput.
Just saying ... I'd like to see your "business math" on this one, regarding TOTAL COSTS and how that derives into your assertion. Sure, their price may be higher, as their units sold may be lower ... but, I'm not sure we can make an assertion to what those margins are without knowing ALL the numbers. So, would you care to share the numbers that comprise a correct assessment of Leica's margins, to back up your assertion?
Nov 06, 2023 at 06:22 PM
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