Re: The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
Buckeye2604 wrote:
saaketham wrote:
In that video ^^^ at minute 2:15, the images will tell you what you need to know ... z8 focus issues with portraits
Did I imagine things when the youtuber said ONE image in the sequence may have been slightly off with the Z8 and it performed similarly? By the end of the video he sounded like a A7R5 owner who wanted a Z8 haha.
There’s no focus issues.
Sony 50 1.2 is slightly sharper wide open, but from those images also has busier bokeh and less than ideal color (imo).
- Sony image is not 'slightly sharper', it is significantly sharper, to the extent that I think something must have gone wrong with the Nikon image. Most likely the focus on the eye is missed due to some reason. Or perhaps, the lens is the problem which is disappointing for a lens of that size.
- The color and tonal rendering is better in the Sony image. I much prefer the skin rendering in the Sony image. In the Nikon image, there are pale areas on the skin and shirt. The subject in the Sony image feels more 3-dimentional while in the Nikon image it appears more flat. It could be due to some slight over exposure though. It needed to be tested multiple times to verify.
- The bokeh difference is very subtle and could almost be due to wind (moving leaves results in a different bokeh). This has to be verified with many more images to be able to come to a sound conclusion. In any case, if I am worried about bokeh, I shoot at f2.8 and selectively blur the areas in the image that I want. This way, I would get a bokeh 10 times more pleasing / smoother than any of these two lenses can produce. The post processing task can be achieved in seconds in modern software such as Photoshop/Lightroom where subject selection has been made very easy and there are numerous blur effects to one's preference.
If one has to base his evaluation on what is presented in the video, Sony camera/lens combo is superior. However, it does not make sense to rely on one image to compare the image quality between these alternatives. Tens of images must be compared in order to come to a sound conclusion. Unfortunately, these Youtube reviewers neither have adequate expertise nor the patience for that. They just want to publish a video in the shortest amount of time possible for monetary gains.
Re: The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
Buckeye2604 wrote:
saaketham wrote:
In that video ^^^ at minute 2:15, the images will tell you what you need to know ... z8 focus issues with portraits
Did I imagine things when the youtuber said ONE image in the sequence may have been slightly off with the Z8 and it performed similarly? By the end of the video he sounded like a A7R5 owner who wanted a Z8 haha.
There’s no focus issues.
Sony 50 1.2 is slightly sharper wide open, but from those images also has busier bokeh and less than ideal color (imo).
- Sony image is not 'slightly sharper', it is significantly sharper, to the extent that I think something must have gone wrong with the Nikon image. Most likely the focus on the eye is missed due to some reason. Or perhaps, the lens is the problem which is disappointing for a lens of that size.
- The color and tonal rendering is better in the Sony image. I much prefer the skin rendering in the Sony image. In the Nikon image, there are pale areas on the skin and shirt. The subject in the Sony image feels more 3-dimentional while in the Nikon image it appears more flat. It could be due to some slight over exposure though. It needed to be tested multiple times to verify.
- The bokeh difference is very subtle and almost could be due to wind (moving leaves results in a different bokeh). This has to be verified with many more images to be able to come to a sound conclusion. In any case, if I am worried about bokeh, I shoot at f2.8 and selectively blur the areas in the image that I want. This way, I would get a bokeh 10 times more pleasing / smoother than any of these two lenses can produce. The post processing task can be achieved in seconds in modern software such as Photoshop/Lightroom where subject selection has been made very easy and there are numerous blur effects to one's preference.
If one has to base his evaluation on what is presented in the video, Sony camera/lens combo is superior. However, it does not make sense to rely on one image to compare the image quality between these alternatives. Tens of images must be compared in order to come to a sound conclusion. Unfortunately, these Youtube reviewers neither have adequate expertise nor the patience for that. They just want to publish a video in the shortest amount of time possible for monetary gains.
Re: The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
Buckeye2604 wrote:
saaketham wrote:
In that video ^^^ at minute 2:15, the images will tell you what you need to know ... z8 focus issues with portraits
Did I imagine things when the youtuber said ONE image in the sequence may have been slightly off with the Z8 and it performed similarly? By the end of the video he sounded like a A7R5 owner who wanted a Z8 haha.
There’s no focus issues.
Sony 50 1.2 is slightly sharper wide open, but from those images also has busier bokeh and less than ideal color (imo).
- Sony image is not 'slightly sharper', it is significantly sharper, to the extent that I think something must have gone wrong with the Nikon image. Most likely the focus on the eye is missed due to some reason. Or perhaps, the lens is the problem which is disappointing for a lens of that size.
- The color and tonal rendering is better in the Sony image. I much prefer the skin rendering in the Sony image. In the Nikon image, there are pale areas on the skin and shirt. The subject in the Sony image feels more 3-dimentional while in the Nikon image it feels more flat. It could be due to some slight over exposure though. It needed to be tested multiple times to verify.
- The bokeh difference is very subtle and almost could be due to wind (moving leaves results in a different bokeh). This has to be verified with many more images to be able to come to a sound conclusion. In any case, if I am worried about bokeh, I shoot at f2.8 and selectively blur the areas in the image that I want. This way, I would get a bokeh 10 times more pleasing / smoother than any of these two lenses can produce. The post processing task can be achieved in seconds in modern software such as Photoshop/Lightroom where subject selection has been made very easy and there are numerous blur effects to one's preference.
If one has to base his evaluation on what is presented in the video, Sony camera/lens combo is superior. However, it does not make sense to rely on one image to compare the image quality between these alternatives. Tens of images must be compared in order to come to a sound conclusion. Unfortunately, these Youtube reviewers neither have adequate expertise nor the patience for that. They just want to publish a video in the shortest amount of time possible for monetary gains.
Re: The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
Buckeye2604 wrote:
saaketham wrote:
In that video ^^^ at minute 2:15, the images will tell you what you need to know ... z8 focus issues with portraits
Did I imagine things when the youtuber said ONE image in the sequence may have been slightly off with the Z8 and it performed similarly? By the end of the video he sounded like a A7R5 owner who wanted a Z8 haha.
There’s no focus issues.
Sony 50 1.2 is slightly sharper wide open, but from those images also has busier bokeh and less than ideal color (imo).
- Sony image is not 'slightly sharper', it is significantly sharper, to the extent that I think something must have gone wrong with the Nikon image. Most likely the focus on the eye is missed due to some reason. Or perhaps, the lens is the problem which is disappointing for a lens of that size.
- The color and tonal rendering is better in the Sony image. I much prefer the skin rendering in the Sony image. In the Nikon image, there are pale areas on the skin and shirt. The subject in the Sony image feels more 3-dimentional while in the Nikon image it feels more flat. It could be due to some slight over exposure though. It needed to be tested multiple times to verify.
- The bokeh difference is very subtle and almost could be due to wind (moving leaves results in a different bokeh). This has to be verified with many more images to be able to come to a sound conclusion. In any case, if I am worried about bokeh, I shoot at f2.8 and selectively blur the areas in the image that I want. This way, I would get a bokeh 10 times more pleasing / smoother than any of these two lenses can produce. The post processing task can be achieved in seconds in modern software like nPhotoshop where subject selection has been made very easy and there are numerous blur effects to one's preference.
If one has to base his evaluation on what is presented in the video, Sony camera/lens combo is superior. However, it does not make sense to rely on one image to compare the image quality between these alternatives. Tens of images must be compared in order to come to a sound conclusion. Unfortunately, these Youtube reviewers neither have adequate expertise nor the patience for that. They just want to publish a video in the shortest amount of time possible for monetary gains.
Re: The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
Buckeye2604 wrote:
saaketham wrote:
In that video ^^^ at minute 2:15, the images will tell you what you need to know ... z8 focus issues with portraits
Did I imagine things when the youtuber said ONE image in the sequence may have been slightly off with the Z8 and it performed similarly? By the end of the video he sounded like a A7R5 owner who wanted a Z8 haha.
There’s no focus issues.
Sony 50 1.2 is slightly sharper wide open, but from those images also has busier bokeh and less than ideal color (imo).
- Sony image is not 'slightly sharper', it is significantly sharper, to the extent that I think something must have gone wrong with the Nikon image. Most likely the focus on the eye is missed due to some reason. Or perhaps, the lens is the problem which is disappointing for a lens of that size.
- The color and tonal rendering is better in the Sony image. I much prefer the skin rendering of the Sony image. There are warm areas on the skin and shirt in the Nikon image. The subject in the Sony image feels more 3-dimentional, in the Nikon image it feels more flat. It could be due to some slight over exposure though. It needed to be tested multiple times to verify.
- The bokeh difference is very subtle and almost could be due to wind (moving leaves results in a different bokeh). This has to be verified with many more images to be able to come to a sound conclusion. In any case, if I am worried about bokeh, I shoot at f2.8 and selectively blur the areas in the image that I want. This way, I would get a bokeh 10 times more pleasing / smoother than any of these two lenses can produce. The post processing task can be achieved in seconds in modern software like nPhotoshop where subject selection has been made very easy and there are numerous blur effects to one's preference.
If one has to base his evaluation on what is presented in the video, Sony camera/lens combo is superior. However, it does not make sense to rely on one image to compare the image quality between these alternatives. Tens of images must be compared in order to come to a sound conclusion. Unfortunately, these Youtube reviewers neither have adequate expertise nor the patience for that. They just want to publish a video in the shortest amount of time possible for monetary gains.
Re: The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
Buckeye2604 wrote:
saaketham wrote:
In that video ^^^ at minute 2:15, the images will tell you what you need to know ... z8 focus issues with portraits
Did I imagine things when the youtuber said ONE image in the sequence may have been slightly off with the Z8 and it performed similarly? By the end of the video he sounded like a A7R5 owner who wanted a Z8 haha.
There’s no focus issues.
Sony 50 1.2 is slightly sharper wide open, but from those images also has busier bokeh and less than ideal color (imo).
- Sony image is not 'slightly sharper', it is significantly sharper, to the extent that I think something must have gone wrong with the Nikon image. Most likely the focus on the eye is missed due to some reason. Or perhaps, the lens is the problem which is disappointing for a lens of that size.
- The color and tonal rendering is better in the Sony image. I much prefer the skin rendering of the Sony image. There are warm areas on the skin and shirt in the Nikon image. The subject in the Sony image feels more 3-dimentional, in the Nikon image it feels more flat. It could be due to some slight over exposure though. It needed to be tested multiple times to verify.
- The bokeh difference is very subtle and almost could be due to wind (moving leaves results in a different bokeh). This has to be verified with many more images to be able to come to a sound conclusion. In any case, if I am worried about bokeh, I shoot at f2.8 and selectively blur the areas in the image that I want. This way, I would get a bokeh 10 times more pleasing / smoother than any of these two lenses can produce. The post processing task can be achieved in seconds in modern software like Photoshop where subject selection has been made very easy and there are numerous blur effects to one's preference.
If one has to base his evaluation based on what is presented in the video, Sony camera/lens combo is superior. However, it does not make sense to rely on one image to compare the image quality between these alternatives. Tens of images must be compared in order to come to a sound conclusion. Unfortunately, these Youtube reviewers neither have adequate expertise nor the patience for that. They just want to publish a video in the shortest amount of time possible for monetary gains.
Nov 02, 2023 at 06:25 PM
Previous versions of raminolta's message #16381946 « The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III »
