As I said I don't expect to find such a comparison at this point. I am guessing more than one will come in the next few Months.
Sorry maybe I am misunderstanding something then, but you made the comment that the Sony AF was unmatched in the non-stacked realm but you haven't actually seen any testing against the Zf? What am I missing there?
I watched Sony's promo video but I didn't see anything in there that the Z8/Z9 don't already do AF-wise. I don't have a Zf to comment on that though. With Expeed 7 the basic AF performance (subject recognition, etc.) should be very similar to the higher end bodies, albeit with a much slower refresh rate.
It takes a pretty biased eye to miss all the predictive and motion AI demonstrated in that video. The Z8/9 doesn't have that.
But OK. This is the same tactic you guys used when the World was moving from DSLRs to mirrorless. Then when defending the really poor Z6/Z7 release. Followed by denying the advantages of the stacked sensor untill Nikon was allowed to release one. It didn't fly then and doesn't now either.
This isn't a brand thing so much as a state of the art thing. Nikon will follow suite in a couple of years as always. But you know that.
I'm just confirming that you were making a statement about the Zf without actually seeing any kind of comparison, because I genuinely wanted to see it if you had found one. Without anything like that from reputable sources (not Sony's PR team), I don't see how you can come to definitive conclusion about it's AF performance. It's Nikon's first non-stacked camera with Expeed7 and the Z8/Z9 algorithms so I'm very curious to see some comparisons as well, to the extent that we can even compare AF objectively.
Other than a few broken records here, this general idea that Sony AF is the be-all end-all of AF is nowhere to be found. Just as one example, professional reviewers have been disagreeing with that notion ever since the Z9 was released, but I guess it's easier to ignore any evidence that doesn't fit the narrative, or discredit anyone who had a different experience.
Other cameras can detect sunglasses, cars, trains, etc. and are smart enough to stay on the head when the subject turns around, that isn't anything new. I watched the video a second time and I fail to see what it's doing that other cameras can't. The comparisons all seem to be made against the A7R4 rather than any of Sony's newer competition, so the bar is a lot lower. I'm not trying to be argumentative, I'm just saying as someone who actually uses a Z9 almost every day, I have seen it do all the same things I see in that video and be just as sticky. As far as I know the Zf is using the same algorithms, but obviously won't have the sample rate of a staked sensor for the most demanding scenes.
Who are you referring to when you say "you guys"? I was one of the longer holdouts to mirrorless Until the A1/R3/Z9 I didn't feel like Mirrorless had surpassed the best DSLRs so I stuck with what I had. I specifically did not invest into mirrorless until there was a stacked sensor body available that met my needs.
Oct 23, 2023 at 05:03 PM
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Until the A1/R3/Z9 I didn't feel like Mirrorless had surpassed the best DSLRs so I stuck with what I had. I specifically did not invest into mirrorless until there was a stacked sensor body available that met my needs.