Re: Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II
freaklikeme wrote:
I do wonder if the EFCS only is a result of its size. The 6700, overall, is roughly the same size, but has a much smaller sensor and shutter. It was probably easier for them to move the energy created by the movement of that small shutter away from the sensor. The larger shutter in an equally small space may have presented problems greater than the bokeh issue we get with a rear curtain-only arrangement. They took a lot of heat with the performance of the full-mechanical shutter on the original a7r. Maybe they think it's best to avoid that here.
I think that makes sense and as you suggest is a trade-off that probably also enhances sharpness by avoiding first curtain shutter shock.
The bokeh "issue" of EFCS doesn't bother me. My concern is mostly about banding that occurs under LED lights when using full-electronic (silent) shutter. The only good solution to this problem in my view is a very fast sensor read-out as one gets with a stacked sensor. But that would raise the price of an A7Cxx camera considerably and Sony has chosen not to do that.
Even the variable shutter of the A7RV doesn't really solve the LED/banding/silent shutter problem, at least for me and my way of shooting. It requires that you be in either shutter priority or manual mode and that you check images to see if it is working satisfactorily which may be hard to determine from the LCD. I don't now own an A7RV, so I can't tell how well it might work for me in practice, but I am not encouraged by all the caveats about its use.
This is why I have retained my A9. The autofocus and real-time tracking are very strong and the fast read-out of the stacked sensor has avoided banding in all the circumstances that I shoot under. Its only limitation from my point of view is that it is not at the highest levels of resolution. But it is a very good camera in use. It even is smaller than the current Sony form-factor, a big plus in my view.
I recently sold my mint A1 to a very good member who can put its capabilities to excellent use on safaris to Africa and shooting leopards. I am trying to decide whether to replace it with two A7Cr bodies for travel or with one A7Cr and one A7RV. Or, I also think about just pairing my A9 with a new A7RIIIa and its beautiful image quality and small size.
Re: Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II
freaklikeme wrote:
I do wonder if the EFCS only is a result of its size. The 6700, overall, is roughly the same size, but has a much smaller sensor and shutter. It was probably easier for them to move the energy created by the movement of that small shutter away from the sensor. The larger shutter in an equally small space may have presented problems greater than the bokeh issue we get with a rear curtain-only arrangement. They took a lot of heat with the performance of the full-mechanical shutter on the original a7r. Maybe they think it's best to avoid that here.
I think that makes sense and as you suggest is a trade-off that probably also enhances sharpness by avoiding first curtain shutter shock.
The bokeh "issue" of EFCS doesn't bother me. My concern is mostly about banding that occurs under LED lights when using full-electronic (silent). The only good solution to this problem in my view is a very fast sensor read-out as one gets with a stacked sensor. But that would raise the price of an A7Cxx camera considerably and Sony has chosen not to do that.
Even the variable shutter of the A7RV doesn't really solve the LED/banding/silent shutter problem, at least for me and my way of shooting. It requires that you be in either shutter priority or manual mode and that you check images to see if it is working satisfactorily which may be hard to determine from the LCD. I don't now own an A7RV, so I can't tell how well it might work for me in practice, but I am not encouraged by all the caveats about its use.
This is why I have retained my A9. The autofocus and real-time tracking are very strong and the fast read-out of the stacked sensor has avoided banding in all the circumstances that I shoot under. Its only limitation from my point of view is that it is not at the highest levels of resolution. But it is a very good camera in use. It even is smaller than the current Sony form-factor, a big plus in my view.
I recently sold my mint A1 to a very good member who can put its capabilities to excellent use on safaris to Africa and shooting leopards. I am trying to decide whether to replace it with two A7Cr bodies for travel or with one A7Cr and one A7RV. Or, I also think about just pairing my A9 with a new A7RIIIa and its beautiful image quality and small size.
Re: Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II
freaklikeme wrote:
I do wonder if the EFCS only is a result of its size. The 6700, overall, is roughly the same size, but has a much smaller sensor and shutter. It was probably easier for them to move the energy created by the movement of that small shutter away from the sensor. The larger shutter in an equally small space may have presented problems greater than the bokeh issue we get with a rear curtain-only arrangement. They took a lot of heat with the performance of the full-mechanical shutter on the original a7r. Maybe they think it's best to avoid that here.
I think that makes sense and as you suggest is a trade-off that probably also enhances sharpness by avoiding first curtain shutter shock.
The bokeh "issue" of EFCS doesn't bother me. My concern is mostly about banding that occurs under LED lights when using full-electronic (silent). The only good solution to this problem in my view is a very fast sensor read-out as one gets with a stacked sensor. But that would raise the price of an A7Cxx camera considerably and Sony has chosen not to do that.
Even the variable shutter of the A7RV doesn't really solve the LED/banding/silent shutter problem, at least for me and my way of shooting. It requires that you be in either shutter priority or manual mode and that you check images to see if it is working satisfactorily which may be hard to determine from the LCD. I don't now own an A7RV, so I can't tell how well it might work for me in practice, but I am not encouraged by all the caveats about its use.
This is why I have retained my A9. The autofocus and real-time tracking are very strong and the fast read-out of the stacked sensor has avoided banding in all the circumstances that I shoot under. Its only limitation from my point of view is that it is not at the highest levels of resolution. But it is a very good camera in use. It even is smaller than the current Sony form-factor, a big plus in my view.
I recently sold my mint A1 to a very good member who can put its capabilities to excellent use on safaris to Africa and shooting leopards. I am trying to decide whether to replace it with two A7Cr bodies for travel or with one A7Cr and one A7RV.
Re: Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II
freaklikeme wrote:
I do wonder if the EFCS only is a result of its size. The 6700, overall, is roughly the same size, but has a much smaller sensor and shutter. It was probably easier for them to move the energy created by the movement of that small shutter away from the sensor. The larger shutter in an equally small space may have presented problems greater than the bokeh issue we get with a rear curtain-only arrangement. They took a lot of heat with the performance of the full-mechanical shutter on the original a7r. Maybe they think it's best to avoid that here.
I think that makes sense and as you suggest is a trade-off that probably also enhances sharpness by avoiding first curtain shutter shock.
The bokeh "issue" of EFCS doesn't bother me. My concern is mostly about banding that occurs under LED lights when using full-electronic (silent). The only good solution to this problem in my view is a very fast sensor read-out as one gets with a stacked sensor. But that would raise the price of an A7Cxx camera considerably and Sony has chosen not to do that.
Even the variable shutter of the A7RV doesn't really solve the LED/banding/silent shutter problem, at least for me and my way of shooting. It requires that you be in either shutter priority or manual mode and that you check images to see if it is working satisfactorily which may be hard to determine from the LCD. I don't now own an A7RV, so I can't tell how well it might work for me in practice, but I am not encouraged by all the caveats about its use.
This is why I have retained my A9. The autofocus and real-time tracking are very strong and the fast read-out of the stacked sensor has avoided banding in all the circumstances that I shoot under. Its own limitation from my point of view is that it is not at the highest levels of resolution. But it is a very good camera in use. It even is smaller than the current Sony form-factor, a big plus in my view.
I recently sold my mint A1 to a very good member who can put its capabilities to excellent use on safaris to Africa and shooting leopards. I am trying to decide whether to replace it with two A7Cr bodies for travel or with one A7Cr and one A7RV.
Re: Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II
freaklikeme wrote:
I do wonder if the EFCS only is a result of its size. The 6700, overall, is roughly the same size, but has a much smaller sensor and shutter. It was probably easier for them to move the energy created by the movement of that small shutter away from the sensor. The larger shutter in an equally small space may have presented problems greater than the bokeh issue we get with a rear curtain-only arrangement. They took a lot of heat with the performance of the full-mechanical shutter on the original a7r. Maybe they think it's best to avoid that here.
I think that makes sense and as you suggest is a trade-off that probably also enhances sharpness by avoiding first curtain shutter shock.
The bokeh "issue" of EFCS doesn't bother me. My concern is mostly about banding that occurs under LED lights when using full-electronic (silent). The only good solution to this problem in my view is a very fast sensor read-out as one gets with a stacked sensor. But that would raise the price of an A7Cxx camera considerably and Sony has chosen not to do that.
Even the variable shutter of the A7RV doesn't really solve the LED/banding/silent shutter problem, at least for me and my way of shooting. It requires that you be in either shutter priority or manual mode and that you check images to see if it is working satisfactorily which may be hard to determine from the LCD. I don't now own an A7RV, so I can't tell how well it might work for me in practice, but I am not encouraged by all the caveats about its use.
This is why I have retained my A9. The autofocus and real-time tracking are very strong and the fast read-out of the stacked sensor has avoided banding in all the circumstances that I shoot under. Its own limitation from my point of view is that it is not at the highest levels of resolution. But it is a very good camera in use. It even is smaller than the current Sony form-factor, a big plus in my view.
I recently sold my mint A1 to a very good member who can put its capabilities to excellent use on safaris to Africa and shooting leopards. I am trying to decide whether to replace it with two A7Cr bodies for travel or with one A7Cr and one A7RV.
Re: Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II
freaklikeme wrote:
I do wonder if the EFCS only is a result of its size. The 6700, overall, is roughly the same size, but has a much smaller sensor and shutter. It was probably easier for them to move the energy created by the movement of that small shutter away from the sensor. The larger shutter in an equally small space may have presented problems greater than the bokeh issue we get with a rear curtain-only arrangement. They took a lot of heat with the performance of the full-mechanical shutter on the original a7r. Maybe they think it's best to avoid that here.
I think that makes sense and as you suggest is a trade-off that probably also enhances sharpness by avoiding first curtain shutter shock.
The bokeh "issue" of EFCS doesn't bother me. My concern is mostly about banding that occurs under LED lights when using full-electronic (silent). The only good solution to this problem in my view is a very fast sensor read-out as one gets with a stacked sensor. But that would raise the price of an A7Cxx camera considerably and Sony has chosen not to do that.
Even the variable shutter of the A7RV doesn't really solve the LED/banding/silent shutter problem, at least for me and my way of shooting. It requires that you be in either shutter priority or manual mode and that you check images to see if it is working satisfactorily which may be hard to determine from the LCD. I don't now own an A7RV, so I can't tell how well it might work for me in practice, but I am not encouraged by all the caveats about its use.
This is why I have retained my A9. The autofocus and real-time tracking are very strong and the fast read-out of the stacked sensor has avoided banding in all the ciorucmstances that I shoot under. Its own limitation from my point of view is that it is not at the highest levels of resolution. But it is a very good camera in use. It even is smaller than the current Sony form-factor, a big plus in my view.
I recently sold my mint A1 to a very good member who can put its capabilities to excellent use on safaris to Africa and shooting leopards. I am trying to decide whether to replace it with two A7Cr bodies for travel or with one A7Cr and one A7RV.
Re: Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II
freaklikeme wrote:
I do wonder if the EFCS only is a result of its size. The 6700, overall, is roughly the same size, but has a much smaller sensor and shutter. It was probably easier for them to move the energy created by the movement of that small shutter away from the sensor. The larger shutter in an equally small space may have presented problems greater than the bokeh issue we get with a rear curtain-only arrangement. They took a lot of heat with the performance of the full-mechanical shutter on the original a7r. Maybe they think it's best to avoid that here.
I think that makes sense and as you suggest is a trade-off that probably also enhances sharpness by avoiding first curtain shutter shock.
The bokeh "issue" of EFCS doesn't bother me. My concern is mostly about banding that occurs under LED lights when using full-electronic (silent). The only good solution to this problem in my view is a very fast sensor read-out as one gets with a stacked sensor. But that would raise the price of an A7Cxx camera considerably and Sony has chosen not to do that.
Even the variable shutter of the A7RV doesn't really solve the LED/banding/silent shutter problem, at least for me and my way of shooting. It requires that you be in either shutter priority or manual mode and that you check images to see if it is working satisfactorily which may be hard to determine from the LCD. I don't now own an A7RV, so I can't tell how well it might work for me in practice, but I am not encouraged by all the caveats about its use.
This is why I have retained my A9. The autofocus and real-time tracking are very strong and the fast read-out of the stacked sensor has avoided banding in all the ciorucmstances that I shoot under. Its own limitation from my point of view is that it is not at the highest levels of resolution. But it is a very good camera in use. It even is smaller than the current Sony form-factor, a big plus in my view.
Aug 30, 2023 at 10:01 AM
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