Re: Nikon unveils the highly anticipated Z8 camera!
The misinformation about the Z6 and Z7 = disaster/underwhelming etc on the www is propagated by trolls incapable of understanding simple facts, notably utubers posing as reviewers bashing Nikon. These get broadcast on photography forums by self anointed experts threatened/jealous of Nikon products, and particularly the rapid success of the Z System. This is of course a prime example of Sonyfanism: "The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy with other equipment." to quote Roger Cicala, 2018
This is the well known tactic of the late unlamented Dr Goebbells - tell a lie often enough so it gets believed (at least by the gullible).... It is impossible to engage in a rational dialogue. It is pointless engaging with someone who distorts reality. Anything they post is unreliable. Such repeaters are better ignored in their echo chambers.
However, In the interests of this Nikon forum being a repository sharing reliable information about Nikon products, it is important to call out internet noise perpetuating nonsenses about the Z6 and Z7 being failures/underperformers... let alone a disaster. The reason for Nikon's lost marketshare is no mystery - the rapid loss of the big sales in consumer DSLRs and especially Point&Shoots to smartphones.
Back on terra firma with some facts. The reliable reviews tell a different story about the Z6 and Z7.
Nasim Nansurov's team tested six copies of the Z6 intensively, because they bought these cameras as they ticked many boxes, apparently. Those interested in the facts can read the reviews over at PL
Thom Hogan was critical of some features but concluded positively in Recommending these 12th and 13th Mirrorless cameras, respectively, designed by Nikon engineers. He cited the tear downs by Roger Cicala over at LensRental, who concluded "This is not marketing department weather resistance. This is engineering department weather resistance...."
Max Power wrote:
I disagree that the Z6/Z7 cameras were any form of disaster. They served and continue to serve many if not the majority of users well. In looking at the A7 line when they came out, granted a few years earlier than Nikon to be fair, I don't think Nikon would have chosen to put that quality level camera in the market. The handling of those early cameras was awful, the viewfinder chased many back to their DSLRs, and the menus were far from ideal.
I wont speculate on the strategy or subterfuge of it all, but I feel Nikon's first offerings to be far better than the Sony ones, given the advantage of time of course. Nikon got the free look at everything they didn't like about Sony, and did not repeat the mistakes.
Of course, Nikon has rarely been first to market with anything, they have always taken a "be patient and release a good product" approach, something that did not help their market share with the perfect storm of events. They may be back to number three, but by most accounts they are darn profitable. They will be around.
If I had to start from scratch I am not sure what I would choose. But Nikon should be in the running for anyone looking at the three major FF systems.
Re: Nikon unveils the highly anticipated Z8 camera!
The misinformation about the Z6 and Z7 = disaster/underwhelming etc on the www is propagated by trolls incapable of understanding simple facts, notably utubers posing as reviewers bashing Nikon. These get broadcast on photography forums by self anointed experts threatened/jealous of Nikon products, and particularly the rapid success of the Z System. This is of course a prime example of Sonyfanism: "The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy with other equipment." to quote Roger Cicala, 2018
This is the well known tactic of the late unlamented Dr Goebbells - tell a lie often enough so it gets believed (at least by the gullible).... It is impossible to engage in a rational dialogue. It is pointless engaging with someone who distorts reality. Anything they post is unreliable. Such repeaters are better ignored in their echo chambers.
However, In the interests of this Nikon forum being a repository sharing reliable information about Nikon products, it is important to call out internet noise perpetuating nonsenses about the Z6 and Z7 being failures/underperformers... let alone a disaster. The reason for Nikon's lost marketshare is no mystery - the rapid loss of the big market in consumer DSLR and especially Point&Shoots to smartphones.
Back on terra firma with some facts. The reliable reviews tell a different story about the Z6 and Z7.
Nasim Nansurov's team tested six copies of the Z6 intensively, because they bought these cameras as they ticked many boxes, apparently. Those interested in the facts can read the reviews over at PL
Thom Hogan was critical of some features but concluded positively in Recommending these 12th and 13th Mirrorless cameras, respectively, designed by Nikon engineers. He cited the tear downs by Roger Cicala over at LensRental, who concluded "This is not marketing department weather resistance. This is engineering department weather resistance...."
Max Power wrote:
I disagree that the Z6/Z7 cameras were any form of disaster. They served and continue to serve many if not the majority of users well. In looking at the A7 line when they came out, granted a few years earlier than Nikon to be fair, I don't think Nikon would have chosen to put that quality level camera in the market. The handling of those early cameras was awful, the viewfinder chased many back to their DSLRs, and the menus were far from ideal.
I wont speculate on the strategy or subterfuge of it all, but I feel Nikon's first offerings to be far better than the Sony ones, given the advantage of time of course. Nikon got the free look at everything they didn't like about Sony, and did not repeat the mistakes.
Of course, Nikon has rarely been first to market with anything, they have always taken a "be patient and release a good product" approach, something that did not help their market share with the perfect storm of events. They may be back to number three, but by most accounts they are darn profitable. They will be around.
If I had to start from scratch I am not sure what I would choose. But Nikon should be in the running for anyone looking at the three major FF systems.
Re: Nikon unveils the highly anticipated Z8 camera!
The misinformation about the Z6 and Z7 = disaster/underwhelming etc on the www is propagated by trolls incapable of understanding simple facts, notably utubers posing as reviewers bashing Nikon. These get broadcast on photography forums by self anointed experts threatened/jealous of Nikon products, and particularly the rapid success of the Z System. This is of course a prime example of Sonyfanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy with other equipment. Roger Cicala, 2018
This is the well known tactic of the late unlamented Dr Goebbells - tell a lie often enough so it gets believed.... It is impossible to engage in a rational dialogue. It is pointless engaging with someone who distorts reality. Anything they post is unreliable. Such repeaters are ignored in their echo chambers.
However, In the interests of this Nikon forum being a repository sharing reliable information about Nikon products, it is important to call out internet noise perpetuating nonsenses about the Z6 and Z7 being failures/underperformers... let alone a disaster. The reason for Nikon's lost marketshare is no mystery - the rapid loss of the big market in consumer DSLR and especially Point&Shoots to smartphones.
Back on terra firma with some facts. The reliable reviews tell a different story about the Z6 and Z7.
Nasim Nansurov's team tested six copies of the Z6 intensively, because they bought these cameras as they ticked many boxes, apparently. Those interested in the facts can read the reviews over at PL
Thom Hogan was critical of some features but concluded positively in Recommending these 12th and 13th Mirrorless cameras, respectively, designed by Nikon engineers. He cited the tear downs by Roger Cicala over at LensRental, who concluded "This is not marketing department weather resistance. This is engineering department weather resistance...."
Max Power wrote:
I disagree that the Z6/Z7 cameras were any form of disaster. They served and continue to serve many if not the majority of users well. In looking at the A7 line when they came out, granted a few years earlier than Nikon to be fair, I don't think Nikon would have chosen to put that quality level camera in the market. The handling of those early cameras was awful, the viewfinder chased many back to their DSLRs, and the menus were far from ideal.
I wont speculate on the strategy or subterfuge of it all, but I feel Nikon's first offerings to be far better than the Sony ones, given the advantage of time of course. Nikon got the free look at everything they didn't like about Sony, and did not repeat the mistakes.
Of course, Nikon has rarely been first to market with anything, they have always taken a "be patient and release a good product" approach, something that did not help their market share with the perfect storm of events. They may be back to number three, but by most accounts they are darn profitable. They will be around.
If I had to start from scratch I am not sure what I would choose. But Nikon should be in the running for anyone looking at the three major FF systems.
Jul 07, 2023 at 03:17 AM
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