Z9 ! : Official thread for Z9 images and discussion
arbitrage wrote:
Are people wanting stuff like this posted in this thread? Or would prefer it left to one of the other threads like the Information Repository thread? I can move it if so. This thread is Images and Discussion and will likely become the dominant Z9 thread going forward similar to the big 500PF thread that has images and discussion. Anyways, I can always move this post out of here if needed.
From what I gather in this video, when the camera has no other distractions around the intended subject like the bee eater it can track amazingly well. The bee eater situation is relatively easy due to no distractions and relatively small in the frame. However, it is also difficult due to the erratic flight behaviour. The photographer did well to stay with it during those abrupt changes in direction and the Z9 did well keeping locked on the bee eater (if we take the photographer at his word that all were actually sharp).
The other video with the egrets showed me a lot of flaws in the Z9 AF system when there are other things in the frame. Still, the subject is very small in the frame so this isn't an ideal situation. I'm starting to wonder after watching this video and a couple others if 3D is best avoided unless with very clean surroundings. It looks pretty bad in this video at least compared to other cameras I've used. The fact that 3D is forced to be Tracking Sensitivity 3 all the time may be its biggest issue??
My suggestion is to also post a copy of this over in the repository.
imo... Regarding bird-tracking, you have an in-depth knowledge of what works and does not (I would guess..more than anyone here).
A couple of years ago, you suggested I try Auto AF for tracking birds. It worked and I never looked back.
I would rate the swallow and then pigeon (2nd place... unless I am forgetting some species) as the most difficult to follow.
One basin I do my loon work on is loaded with swallows. I am amazed that they are able to make their living snagging insects in flight.
Has anyone here noticed that not all basins support swallows... and why ? There's a reason.
Anyway, when I'm doing loon work, I occasionally become tempted to "have a go" at the swallows. It's most often a downhill operation for me. I have difficulty just acquiring a swallow. Keeping an AF box on it is nearly impossible (for me). Fortunately, photographing swallows does not excite me.
For me, it comes back to Auto AF all over again. Several have said that the Z9 is a combination of the D6 and D850. I do not know, but the Z9 manual looks a lot like the D850's.
I've made my AF decision. When my Z9 shows up, I'll opt for Auto AF mode. Then, I think I will add bird eyes or animal eyes... or whatever that extra option is for tracking. I know, you are right.... there is more to it than just that. But I must start somewhere.
It's pigeons for me ! . There are no swallows up here now, because they do rely on insects for their survival.
I plan on doing my own Z9 testing on pigeons.
Correct me if you disagree Geoff: Regardless of make/model, no AF modes/systems are foolproof, or even have a high keeper rate. Now, I'm not into splitting hairs on the AF thing. You may be and everyone is different for sure.
Nikon promos overstated the efficiency of Z9 AF. But that's marketing with any brand.
Still, I know that I will be happy with the Z9 for a long time. Next year, I may sell it. Who knows?
It's not all about having the fastest and most accurate AF with me. The Z9 has several other features that excite me. In fact, it is full of them.... I hope
Z9 ! : Official thread for Z9 images and discussion
arbitrage wrote:
Are people wanting stuff like this posted in this thread? Or would prefer it left to one of the other threads like the Information Repository thread? I can move it if so. This thread is Images and Discussion and will likely become the dominant Z9 thread going forward similar to the big 500PF thread that has images and discussion. Anyways, I can always move this post out of here if needed.
From what I gather in this video, when the camera has no other distractions around the intended subject like the bee eater it can track amazingly well. The bee eater situation is relatively easy due to no distractions and relatively small in the frame. However, it is also difficult due to the erratic flight behaviour. The photographer did well to stay with it during those abrupt changes in direction and the Z9 did well keeping locked on the bee eater (if we take the photographer at his word that all were actually sharp).
The other video with the egrets showed me a lot of flaws in the Z9 AF system when there are other things in the frame. Still, the subject is very small in the frame so this isn't an ideal situation. I'm starting to wonder after watching this video and a couple others if 3D is best avoided unless with very clean surroundings. It looks pretty bad in this video at least compared to other cameras I've used. The fact that 3D is forced to be Tracking Sensitivity 3 all the time may be its biggest issue??
My suggestion is to also post a copy of this over in the repository.
imo... Regarding bird-tracking, you have an in-depth knowledge of what works and does not (I would guess..more than anyone here).
A couple of years ago, you suggested I try Auto AF for tracking birds. It worked and I never looked back.
I would rate the swallow and then pigeon (2nd place... unless I am forgetting some species) as the most difficult to follow.
One basin I do my loon work on is loaded with swallows. I am amazed that they are able to make their living snagging insects in flight.
Has anyone here noticed that not all basins support swallows... and why ? There's a reason.
Anyway, when I'm doing loon work, I occasionally become tempted to "have a go" at the swallows. It's most often a downhill operation for me. I have difficulty just acquiring a swallow. Keeping an AF box on it is nearly impossible (for me). Fortunately, photographing swallows does not excite me.
For me, it comes back to Auto AF all over again. Several have said that the Z9 is a combination of the D6 and D850. I do not know, but the Z9 manual looks a lot like the D850's.
I've made my AF decision. When my Z9 shows up, I'll opt for Auto AF mode. Then, I think I will add bird eyes or animal eyes... or whatever that extra option is for tracking. I know, you are right.... there is more to it than just that. But I must start somewhere.
It's pigeons for me ! . There are no swallows up here now, because they do rely on insects for their survival.
I plan on doing my own Z9 testing on pigeons.
Correct me if you disagree Geoff: Regardless of make/model, no AF modes/systems are foolproof, or even have a high keeper rate. Now, I'm not into splitting hairs on the AF thing. You may be and everyone is different for sure.
Nikon promos overstated the efficiency of Z9 AF. But that's marketing with any brand.
Still, I know that I will be happy with the Z9 for a long time. Next year, I may sell it. Who knows?
It's not all about having the fastest and most accurate AF with me. The Z9 will be more than adequate for my AF needs.
Z9 ! : Official thread for Z9 images and discussion
arbitrage wrote:
Are people wanting stuff like this posted in this thread? Or would prefer it left to one of the other threads like the Information Repository thread? I can move it if so. This thread is Images and Discussion and will likely become the dominant Z9 thread going forward similar to the big 500PF thread that has images and discussion. Anyways, I can always move this post out of here if needed.
From what I gather in this video, when the camera has no other distractions around the intended subject like the bee eater it can track amazingly well. The bee eater situation is relatively easy due to no distractions and relatively small in the frame. However, it is also difficult due to the erratic flight behaviour. The photographer did well to stay with it during those abrupt changes in direction and the Z9 did well keeping locked on the bee eater (if we take the photographer at his word that all were actually sharp).
The other video with the egrets showed me a lot of flaws in the Z9 AF system when there are other things in the frame. Still, the subject is very small in the frame so this isn't an ideal situation. I'm starting to wonder after watching this video and a couple others if 3D is best avoided unless with very clean surroundings. It looks pretty bad in this video at least compared to other cameras I've used. The fact that 3D is forced to be Tracking Sensitivity 3 all the time may be its biggest issue??
My suggestion is to also post a copy of this over in the repository.
imo... Regarding bird-tracking, you have an in-depth knowledge of what works and does not (I would guess..more than anyone here).
A couple of years ago, you suggested I try Auto AF for tracking birds. It worked and I never looked back.
I would rate the swallow and then pigeon (2nd place... unless I am forgetting some species) as the most difficult to follow.
One basin I do my loon work on is loaded with swallows. I am amazed that they are able to make their living snagging insects in flight.
Has anyone here noticed that not all basins support swallows... and why ? There's a reason.
Anyway, when I'm doing loon work, I occasionally become tempted to "have a go" at the swallows. It's most often a downhill operation for me. I have difficulty just acquiring a swallow. Keeping an AF box on it is nearly impossible (for me). Fortunately, photographing swallows does not excite me.
For me, it comes back to Auto AF all over again. Several have said that the Z9 is a combination of the D6 and D850. I do not know, but the Z9 manual looks a lot like the D850's.
I've made my AF decision. When my Z9 shows up, I'll opt for Auto AF mode. Then, I think I will add bird eyes or animal eyes... or whatever that extra option is for tracking. I know, you are right.... there is more to it than just that. But I must start somewhere.
It's pigeons for me ! . There are no swallows up here now, because they do rely on insects for their survival.
I plan on doing my own Z9 testing on pigeons.
Correct me if you disagree Geoff: Regardless of make/model, no AF modes/systems are foolproof, or even have a high keeper rate.
Nikon promos overstated the efficiency of Z9 AF. But that's marketing with any brand.
Still, I know that I will be happy with the Z9 for a long time. Next year, I may sell it. Who knows?
It's not all about having the fastest and most accurate AF with me. The Z9 will be more than adequate for my AF needs.
Z9 ! : Official thread for Z9 images and discussion
arbitrage wrote:
Are people wanting stuff like this posted in this thread? Or would prefer it left to one of the other threads like the Information Repository thread? I can move it if so. This thread is Images and Discussion and will likely become the dominant Z9 thread going forward similar to the big 500PF thread that has images and discussion. Anyways, I can always move this post out of here if needed.
From what I gather in this video, when the camera has no other distractions around the intended subject like the bee eater it can track amazingly well. The bee eater situation is relatively easy due to no distractions and relatively small in the frame. However, it is also difficult due to the erratic flight behaviour. The photographer did well to stay with it during those abrupt changes in direction and the Z9 did well keeping locked on the bee eater (if we take the photographer at his word that all were actually sharp).
The other video with the egrets showed me a lot of flaws in the Z9 AF system when there are other things in the frame. Still, the subject is very small in the frame so this isn't an ideal situation. I'm starting to wonder after watching this video and a couple others if 3D is best avoided unless with very clean surroundings. It looks pretty bad in this video at least compared to other cameras I've used. The fact that 3D is forced to be Tracking Sensitivity 3 all the time may be its biggest issue??
My suggestion is to also post a copy of this over in the repository.
imo... Regarding bird-tracking, you have an in-depth knowledge of what works and does not (I would guess..more than anyone here).
A couple of years ago, you suggested I try Auto AF for tracking birds. It worked and I never looked back.
I would rate the swallow and then pigeon (2nd place... unless I am forgetting some species) as the most difficult to follow.
One basin I do my loon work on is loaded with swallows. I am amazed that they are able to make their living snagging insects in flight.
Has anyone here noticed that not all basins support swallows... and why ? There's a reason.
Anyway, when I'm doing loon work, I occasionally become tempted to "have a go" at the swallows. It's most often a downhill operation for me. I have difficulty just acquiring a swallow. Keeping an AF box on it is nearly impossible (for me). Fortunately, photographing swallows does not excite me.
Anyway, for me, it comes back to Auto AF all over again. Several have said that the Z9 is a combination of the D6 and D850. I do not know, but the Z9 manual looks a lot like the D850's.
When my Z9 shows up. I have made the decision to opt for Auto AF mode. Then, I think I will add bird eyes or animal eyes... or whatever that extra option is for tracking.
There aren't any swallows in the north now, because they do rely on insects for their survival.
I plan on doing my own Z9 testing on pigeons.
Correct me if you disagree Geoff: Regardless of make/model, no AF modes/systems are foolproof, or even have a high keeper rate.
Nikon promos overstated the efficiency of Z9 AF. But that's marketing with any brand.
Still, I know that I will be happy with the Z9 for a long time. Next year, I may sell it. Who knows?
It's not all about having the fastest and most accurate AF with me. The Z9 will be more than adequate for my AF needs.
Z9 ! : Official thread for Z9 images and discussion
arbitrage wrote:
Are people wanting stuff like this posted in this thread? Or would prefer it left to one of the other threads like the Information Repository thread? I can move it if so. This thread is Images and Discussion and will likely become the dominant Z9 thread going forward similar to the big 500PF thread that has images and discussion. Anyways, I can always move this post out of here if needed.
From what I gather in this video, when the camera has no other distractions around the intended subject like the bee eater it can track amazingly well. The bee eater situation is relatively easy due to no distractions and relatively small in the frame. However, it is also difficult due to the erratic flight behaviour. The photographer did well to stay with it during those abrupt changes in direction and the Z9 did well keeping locked on the bee eater (if we take the photographer at his word that all were actually sharp).
The other video with the egrets showed me a lot of flaws in the Z9 AF system when there are other things in the frame. Still, the subject is very small in the frame so this isn't an ideal situation. I'm starting to wonder after watching this video and a couple others if 3D is best avoided unless with very clean surroundings. It looks pretty bad in this video at least compared to other cameras I've used. The fact that 3D is forced to be Tracking Sensitivity 3 all the time may be its biggest issue??
My suggestion is to also post a copy of this over in the repository.
imo... Regarding bird-tracking, you have an in-depth knowledge of what works and does not (I would guess..more than anyone here).
A couple of years ago, you suggested I try Auto AF for tracking birds. It worked and I never looked back.
I would rate the swallow and then pigeon (2nd place... unless I am forgetting some species) as the most difficult to follow.
One basin I do my loon work on is loaded with swallows. I am amazed that they are able to make their living snagging insects in flight.
Has anyone here noticed that not all basins support swallows... and why ? There's a reason.
Anyway, when I'm doing loon work, I occasionally become tempted to "have a go" at the swallows. It's most often a downhill operation for me. I have difficulty just acquiring a swallow. Keeping an AF box on it is nearly impossible (for me). Fortunately, photographing swallows does not excite me.
Anyway, for me, it comes back to Auto AF all over again. Several have said that the Z9 is a combination of the D6 and D850. I do not know, but the Z9 manual looks a lot like the D850's.
When my Z9 shows up. I have made the decision to opt for Auto AF mode. Then, I think I will add bird eyes or animal eyes... or whatever that extra option is for tracking.
There aren't any swallows in the north now, because they do rely on insects for their survival.
I plan on doing my own Z9 testing on pigeons.
Correct me if you disagree Geoff: Regardless of make/model, no AF modes/systems are foolproof, or even have a high keeper rate.
imo.... all Nikon promos, were aggrandized.
Still, I know that I will be happy with the Z9 for a long time. Next year, I may sell it. Who knows?
It's not all about having the fastest and most accurate AF with me. The Z9 will be more than adequate for my AF needs.
Z9 ! : Official thread for Z9 images and discussion
arbitrage wrote:
Are people wanting stuff like this posted in this thread? Or would prefer it left to one of the other threads like the Information Repository thread? I can move it if so. This thread is Images and Discussion and will likely become the dominant Z9 thread going forward similar to the big 500PF thread that has images and discussion. Anyways, I can always move this post out of here if needed.
From what I gather in this video, when the camera has no other distractions around the intended subject like the bee eater it can track amazingly well. The bee eater situation is relatively easy due to no distractions and relatively small in the frame. However, it is also difficult due to the erratic flight behaviour. The photographer did well to stay with it during those abrupt changes in direction and the Z9 did well keeping locked on the bee eater (if we take the photographer at his word that all were actually sharp).
The other video with the egrets showed me a lot of flaws in the Z9 AF system when there are other things in the frame. Still, the subject is very small in the frame so this isn't an ideal situation. I'm starting to wonder after watching this video and a couple others if 3D is best avoided unless with very clean surroundings. It looks pretty bad in this video at least compared to other cameras I've used. The fact that 3D is forced to be Tracking Sensitivity 3 all the time may be its biggest issue??
My suggestion is to also post a copy of this over in the repository.
imo... Regarding bird-tracking, you have an in-depth knowledge of what works and does not (I would guess..more than anyone here).
A couple of years ago, you suggested I try Auto AF for tracking birds. It worked and I never looked back.
I would rate the swallow and then pigeon (2nd place... unless I am forgetting some species) as the most difficult to follow.
One basin I do my loon work on is loaded with swallows. I am amazed that they are able to make their living snagging insects in flight.
Has anyone here noticed that not all basins support swallows... and why ? There's a reason.
Anyway, when I'm doing loon work, I occasionally become tempted to "have a go" at the swallows. It's most often a downhill operation for me. I have difficulty just acquiring a swallow. Keeping an AF box on it is nearly impossible (for me). Fortunately, photographing swallows does not excite me.
Anyway, for me, it comes back to Auto AF all over again. Several have said that the Z9 is a combination of the D6 and D850. I do not know, but the Z9 manual looks a lot like the D850's.
When my Z9 shows up. I have made the decision to opt for Auto AF mode. Then, I think I will add bird eyes or animal eyes... or whatever that extra option is for tracking.
There aren't any swallows in the north now, because they do rely on insects for their survival.
I plan on doing my own Z9 testing on pigeons.
Correct me if you disagree Geoff: Regardless of make/model, no AF modes/systems are foolproof, or even have a high keeper rate.
imo.... all Nikon promos, were sensationalized.
I will be happy with the Z9 for a long time. I already know this. Next year, I may sell it. Who knows?
Z9 ! : Official thread for Z9 images and discussion
arbitrage wrote:
Are people wanting stuff like this posted in this thread? Or would prefer it left to one of the other threads like the Information Repository thread? I can move it if so. This thread is Images and Discussion and will likely become the dominant Z9 thread going forward similar to the big 500PF thread that has images and discussion. Anyways, I can always move this post out of here if needed.
From what I gather in this video, when the camera has no other distractions around the intended subject like the bee eater it can track amazingly well. The bee eater situation is relatively easy due to no distractions and relatively small in the frame. However, it is also difficult due to the erratic flight behaviour. The photographer did well to stay with it during those abrupt changes in direction and the Z9 did well keeping locked on the bee eater (if we take the photographer at his word that all were actually sharp).
The other video with the egrets showed me a lot of flaws in the Z9 AF system when there are other things in the frame. Still, the subject is very small in the frame so this isn't an ideal situation. I'm starting to wonder after watching this video and a couple others if 3D is best avoided unless with very clean surroundings. It looks pretty bad in this video at least compared to other cameras I've used. The fact that 3D is forced to be Tracking Sensitivity 3 all the time may be its biggest issue??
My suggestion is to also post a copy of this over in the repository.
imo... Regarding bird-tracking, you have an in-depth knowledge of what works and does not (I would guess..more than anyone here).
A couple of years ago, you suggested I try Auto AF for tracking birds. It worked and I never looked back.
I would rate the swallow and then pigeon (2nd place... unless I am forgetting some species) as the most difficult to follow.
One basin I do my loon work on is loaded with swallows. I am amazed that they are able to make their living snagging insects in flight.
Has anyone here noticed that not all basins support swallows... and why ? There's a reason.
Anyway, when I'm doing loon work, I occasionally become tempted to "have a go" at the swallows. It's most often a downhill operation for me. I have difficulty just acquiring a swallow. Keeping an AF box on it is nearly impossible (for me). Fortunately, photographing swallows does not excite me.
Anyway, for me, it comes back Auto AF all over again. Several have said that the Z9 is a combination of the D6 and D850. I do not know, but I the Z9 manual looks a lot like the D850's.
When my Z9 shows up. I have made the decision to opt for Auto AF mode. Then, I think I will add bird eyes or animal eyes... or whatever that extra option is for tracking.
There aren't any swallows in the north now, because they do rely on insects for their survival.
I plan on doing my own Z9 testing on pigeons.
Correct me if you disagree Geoff: Regardless of make/model, no AF modes/systems are foolproof, or even have a high keeper rate.
imo.... all Nikon promos, were sensationalized.
I will be happy with the Z9 for a long time. I already know this. Next year, I may sell it. Who knows?
Z9 ! : Official thread for Z9 images and discussion
arbitrage wrote:
Are people wanting stuff like this posted in this thread? Or would prefer it left to one of the other threads like the Information Repository thread? I can move it if so. This thread is Images and Discussion and will likely become the dominant Z9 thread going forward similar to the big 500PF thread that has images and discussion. Anyways, I can always move this post out of here if needed.
From what I gather in this video, when the camera has no other distractions around the intended subject like the bee eater it can track amazingly well. The bee eater situation is relatively easy due to no distractions and relatively small in the frame. However, it is also difficult due to the erratic flight behaviour. The photographer did well to stay with it during those abrupt changes in direction and the Z9 did well keeping locked on the bee eater (if we take the photographer at his word that all were actually sharp).
The other video with the egrets showed me a lot of flaws in the Z9 AF system when there are other things in the frame. Still, the subject is very small in the frame so this isn't an ideal situation. I'm starting to wonder after watching this video and a couple others if 3D is best avoided unless with very clean surroundings. It looks pretty bad in this video at least compared to other cameras I've used. The fact that 3D is forced to be Tracking Sensitivity 3 all the time may be its biggest issue??
My suggestion is to also post a copy of this over in the repository.
imo... Regarding bird-tracking, you have an in-depth knowledge of what works and does not (I would guess..more than anyone here).
A couple of years ago, you suggested I try Auto AF for tracking birds. It worked and I never looked back.
I would rate the swallow and then pigeon (2nd place... unless I am forgetting some species) as the most difficult to follow.
One basin I do my loon work on is loaded with swallows. I am amazed that they are able to make their living snagging insects in flight.
Has anyone here noticed that not all basins support swallows... and why some do support them? There's a reason.
Anyway, when I'm doing loon work, I occasionally become tempted to "have a go" at the swallows. It's most often a downhill operation for me. I have difficulty just acquiring a swallow. Keeping an AF box on it is nearly impossible (for me). Fortunately, photographing swallows does not excite me.
Anyway, for me, it comes back Auto AF all over again. Several have said that the Z9 is a combination of the D6 and D850. I do not know, but I the Z9 manual looks a lot like the D850's.
When my Z9 shows up. I have made the decision to opt for Auto AF mode. Then, I think I will add bird eyes or animal eyes... or whatever that extra option is for tracking.
There aren't any swallows in the north now, because they do rely on insects for their survival.
I plan on doing my own Z9 testing on pigeons.
Correct me if you disagree Geoff: Regardless of make/model, no AF modes/systems are foolproof, or even have a high keeper rate.
imo.... all Nikon promos, were sensationalized.
I will be happy with the Z9 for a long time. I already know this. Next year, I may sell it. Who knows?
Robert
Jan 02, 2022 at 10:48 AM
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. There are no swallows up here now, because they do rely on insects for their survival.