Re: Best (affordable) platform for manual lenses in 2021?
arduluth wrote: AdaptedLenses wrote:
I don't claim it to have been less effective, I used both for a long time and probably would take the R2 for it's benefits, but it was distinctly less "sharp" and critical focus took more effort, which in turn made it less enjoyable. To me that's worse, even if results don't change it's become less enjoyable, that's bad.
Interesting. I felt the exact opposite - on the A7R2 I find it easier to get the focus I want without zooming in, because it seems sharper. So much so that I had just assumed there was a panel upgrade. This is true for me in all light situations - most of my shooting is pretty low light (e.g. f/2, ISO 6400-25k, 1/60) and the A7R2 felt like a big improvement for MF there, allowing me to focus manually without zooming in, which definitely helped me get the shot when I may have missed it. After learning that the EVF isn't any bigger or higher resolution on the A7R2, I chalked it up to the higher res sensor being able to discern more detail; it also does better in low light. 🤷♀️
I'm curious - do you have your sharpness cranked up in your JPEG settings? This is a trick I learned from @sebboh@ and I recommend it to anyone who shoots MF lenses and RAW.
Then again, my original A7 has seen a lot of action and has taken a lot of abuse - and stood up to it well. The EVF glass is pretty scratched up at this point, which by itself makes a big difference in MF experience.
This sounds very interesting. I'm curious how one makes these adjustments to make the EVF sharper. This is a major downside for me, much preferring the EVF of the a7R4.
I find using magnified EVF of a7R2 to be very fuzzy, and often relegate AF lenses to these bodies, rather than MF. I haven't got any problem with the output images, just the time lost trying to get precise focus at either stage of magnified EVF image.
That said, back to the title of the thread -- I do think the a7R2 still offers the best IQ to dollars spent of all cameras. 42MP of beautiful rendering, and all the basic controls we are used to. All in a very inexpensive used package (what are we at currently, $1200, or less?). Amazing photo value! (Update: I see Fred bought an outstanding a7R2 copy on Nov 19 for $875!! Wow, what a great camera for such an inexpensive price! )
Re: Best (affordable) platform for manual lenses in 2021?
arduluth wrote: AdaptedLenses wrote:
I don't claim it to have been less effective, I used both for a long time and probably would take the R2 for it's benefits, but it was distinctly less "sharp" and critical focus took more effort, which in turn made it less enjoyable. To me that's worse, even if results don't change it's become less enjoyable, that's bad.
Interesting. I felt the exact opposite - on the A7R2 I find it easier to get the focus I want without zooming in, because it seems sharper. So much so that I had just assumed there was a panel upgrade. This is true for me in all light situations - most of my shooting is pretty low light (e.g. f/2, ISO 6400-25k, 1/60) and the A7R2 felt like a big improvement for MF there, allowing me to focus manually without zooming in, which definitely helped me get the shot when I may have missed it. After learning that the EVF isn't any bigger or higher resolution on the A7R2, I chalked it up to the higher res sensor being able to discern more detail; it also does better in low light. 🤷♀️
I'm curious - do you have your sharpness cranked up in your JPEG settings? This is a trick I learned from @sebboh@ and I recommend it to anyone who shoots MF lenses and RAW.
Then again, my original A7 has seen a lot of action and has taken a lot of abuse - and stood up to it well. The EVF glass is pretty scratched up at this point, which by itself makes a big difference in MF experience.
This sounds very interesting. I'm curious how one makes these adjustments to make the EVF sharper. This is a major downside for me, much preferring the EVF of the a7R4.
I find using magnified EVF of a7R2 to be very fuzzy, and often relegate AF lenses to these bodies, rather than MF. I haven't got any problem with the output images, just the time lost trying to get precise focus at either stage of magnified EVF image.
That said, back to the title of the thread -- I do think the a7R2 still offers the best IQ to dollars spent of all cameras. 42MP of beautiful rendering, and all the basic controls we are used to. All in a very inexpensive used package (what are we at currently, $1200, or less?). Amazing photo value!
Re: Best (affordable) platform for manual lenses in 2021?
arduluth wrote: AdaptedLenses wrote:
I don't claim it to have been less effective, I used both for a long time and probably would take the R2 for it's benefits, but it was distinctly less "sharp" and critical focus took more effort, which in turn made it less enjoyable. To me that's worse, even if results don't change it's become less enjoyable, that's bad.
Interesting. I felt the exact opposite - on the A7R2 I find it easier to get the focus I want without zooming in, because it seems sharper. So much so that I had just assumed there was a panel upgrade. This is true for me in all light situations - most of my shooting is pretty low light (e.g. f/2, ISO 6400-25k, 1/60) and the A7R2 felt like a big improvement for MF there, allowing me to focus manually without zooming in, which definitely helped me get the shot when I may have missed it. After learning that the EVF isn't any bigger or higher resolution on the A7R2, I chalked it up to the higher res sensor being able to discern more detail; it also does better in low light. 🤷♀️
I'm curious - do you have your sharpness cranked up in your JPEG settings? This is a trick I learned from @sebboh@ and I recommend it to anyone who shoots MF lenses and RAW.
Then again, my original A7 has seen a lot of action and has taken a lot of abuse - and stood up to it well. The EVF glass is pretty scratched up at this point, which by itself makes a big difference in MF experience.
This sounds very interesting. I'm curious how one makes these adjustments to make the EVF sharper. This is a major downside for me, much preferring the EVF of the a7R4.
I find using magnified EVF of a7R2 to be very fuzzy, and often relegate AF lenses to these bodies, rather than MF. I haven't got any problem with the output images, just the time lost trying to get precise focus at either stage of magnified EVF image.
Dec 08, 2021 at 04:46 PM
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(Update: I see Fred bought an outstanding a7R2 copy on Nov 19 for $875!! Wow, what a great camera for such an inexpensive price!