DavidBM wrote: joakim wrote: nhsonyshooter wrote: Steve Spencer wrote: nhsonyshooter wrote:
I don't get what they are thinking here. There are plenty of 50mm options already. How about a small 180mm/200mm or 300mm prime. Why not fill a hole?
This is a VM lens. A 180/200 or 300 doesn't make much sense on a Leica M camera. I would like to see them develop a 90 or a 135, however, that would make a lot more sense on a Leica M camera.
Well aware of what a VM is. I could care less about Leica. I'm talking about spending resources on a much larger market like Sony (this is a Sony forum not Leica) where they would make sense and sell many more than this lens.
But how large is the Sony market really, I know Sony sells so much more cameras than Leica does but how many of those buyers are interested in using manual focus lenses? I have no idea myself but i assume there is a pretty large majority of Sony (and Canon and Nikon for that matter) shooters that only uses AF lenses and would never consider buying something else.
Ah well, this is very off topic but still interesting
Some people here with connections in Japan have reported that at one point the 2/65 Apo Lanthar in e Mount was Cosinas best selling lens in any mount, and another E mount lens was their second best seller. But sales don’t seem to be their primary driver. Voigtländer lenses are a hobby for Mr K.
Up until 2-3 years ago it was common to see 3-5 E-mount lenses topping the Cosina lens sales positions in Japan constantly but recently it's spread out more between E-mount and others. 35/2, 50/2 and 65/2 are still constantly among the best-selling Cosina E-mount lenses, along with 35/1.4 classic.
Current Cosina lens sales rankings in Japan according to https://kakaku.com/camera/camera-lens/itemlist.aspx?pdf_ma=365.
kakaku.com is a very popular price-comparison and sales ranking site in Japan and they collect data from lots of different shops, and I think their sales ranking comparison data should be a fairly good data point regarding Cosina lens sales in Japan.
Top 10 as of today (the rankings list is updated every day based on latest data although I think it's some kind of accumulated data over several days of sales and not just current day's sales):
1) Nokton 35/1.4 for X-mount (pre-orders) at #114 among all lenses
2) 50/2 APO-Lanthar for E-mount at #148
3) Nokton classic 40/1.4 VM (MC) at #202
4) Nokton classic 40/1.4 VM (SC) at #214
5) Nokton classic 35/1.4 II VM (SC) at #247
6) 35/2 APO-Lanthar for E-mount at #265
7) Ultron 40/2 SL II S for Nikon (black rim) at #282
7) Nokton classic 35/1.4 for E-mount at #282
9) 65/2 APO-Lanthar for E-mount at #310
10) Color-Skopar 35/2.5 PII VM at #340
10) Color-Skopar 21/4 VM at #340
Some of the recent VM releases have many different versions (6 for 50/1.5 II, 3 for 28/2 II etc.) and those are listed as separate sales items in the rankings so it's hard to measure how well they are selling combined among all Cosina lenses, but none of those have ranked very high at any time. 50/2 APO-Lanthar for E-mount was ranked at #5 among all lenses for a short time when the lens came out and that's by far the highest I've ever seen any Cosina lens go. It has continued to be a very strong seller for them ever since. 35/2 APO-Lanthar never peaked as high but it's also been sticking to quite high positions among Cosina lenses since it came out and 65/2 has stayed near the top all the time as well.
Based on the continous good sales of the E-mount APO-Lanthars (especially 50/2, 65/2, 35/2) I would expect Cosina to continue releasing more APO-Lanthars in similar style as 50/2 and 35/2 for E-mount but probably at a pace of 1 per year or so. There would be room for 28/2 and 75/2 APO-Lanthars going forward.
From VM lenses, some of their old ones that are small and reasonably priced, and especially both versions of classic 40/1.4 keep selling well all the time.
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