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LBJ2 wrote:
Everythingis1 wrote:
Steve Spencer wrote:
Everythingis1 wrote:
retrofocus wrote:
naturephoto1 wrote:
Everythingis1 wrote:
This is absolutely delusional. People shoot with Leica's as an fashion accessory period end of story. Anything else you tell yourself is a disgusting attempt to rationalize your own vanity. By buying a massively overpriced Leica from a hedge fund, instead of a camera from a company that is actually supporting photography, you are actively hurting the camera industry.
It's like someone buying a Rolex using the excuse that it tells time better, it's complete BS. (Unlike a Rolex though these Leica's will be worthless in the future)
That is one of the most ignorant, stupid, arrogant, and insulting comments that I have ever read on FM.
Rich
Is it really like this? I am a Leica user but I don't feel insulted by it at all. I also don't think the statement is arrogant or stupid. I think the poster tackled simply a controversial issue regarding prices for which Leica is known. The wording/phrasing and some conclusions are not the best, agreed - but we should be open to criticism and not just expect applause. Some responded well to his original question - so far I don't have the impression he is a troll. I wonder more about some reactions here - do we take criticism regarding a brand's strategy so personal?
It's because people are so emotionally invested in a brand that they take it so personally. They dig deep into the realm of abstractions in attempts to explain away what is a purely emotional foundation for their rationalization of ownership. I have no issues with Leica or its prices, but what I do take issue with is people using magical thinking to justify something instead of just being honest with themselves.
Nobody is convincing anyone that the tactile experience of using the camera is worth 10's of thousands of dollars and it isn't just your emotional attachment to the brand. That would be some weird grotesque fetish.
I not emotionally invested in the Leica brand. I have a Leica Camera, but I have a Sony camera, a Fuji camera, and a Nikon camera. I like my Leica camera because I like rangefinder focussing. That is not in any more of an abstraction than when I say I like my Sony camera for its fast AI based AF, or I like my Nikon camera for its rich color depth at base ISO, or I like my Fuji camera for its low noise at high ISO.
People take it personally when you say they (not the brand, the people) are delusional. When you say they (not the brand, the people) are vain. I could careless when you say Leica cameras or lenses are a fashion accessory. I know they aren't for me, but when you say people buy a camera only because they are vain. That is a statement about the people not the camera. It is a personal attack. Is it really surprising that when you make personal attacks people take it personally? People aren't taking it personally because of their emotional investment in the brand; they are taking it personally because what you said was about them personally and not about the brand.
Now the question is whether you will own up to attacking people by saying they are delusional and only buy the camera because they are vain or whether you will dodge responsibility for what you have said. So far you have only dodged responsibility.
If you think the physical act of shooting a Leica is so unique and satisfying and irreplicable over all other cameras that it's worth many thousands of dollars in premium you are absolutely completely delusional.
The fact that you had to fabricate an entire post to try and "bait" me into calling something that is completely delusional what it is, as if that makes it proof that it is not, is some serious mental gymnastics. You're just like the other Leica users , you own it because of the brand name. You're not unique in why you own one, deal with it. Past delusional you're also a liar if you spout that the brand and aesthetic were not the pretext for you owning one in the first place, no matter what kind of "magical" reasons you end up coming up with after the fact.
Please. Have you had the opportunity to learn how to shoot a Leica rangefinder? Not a shop try-out ,rather a 3-4 weeks +, mano a mano? If not, then I highly recommend, if you get the chance and photography is in your blood, AND are truly interested in what it's all about to use a rangefinder to create, then again, I highly recommend.
FWIW, if you want to carpet bomb an online Leica community do slog around the painful Leica Tax "we" have to pay is probably a good way to collect the emotional responses you write about. YES, the Leica Price is horrific. But there is a method to the madness for those willing to see.
Of course I also hate to pay for the latest Sony super tech in their cameras and lenses too. But as in life it is what it is. "we have to pay to play" But honestly too many ways to get around full retail for Leica or Sony...
"Method to the madness for those willing to see". That sounds an awful lot like a religion, and that is exactly what I'm talking about.
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