Re: Leica M10 and M10-P: Stay way from ISO 100 in contrasty lighting
Very interesting thread.
Reminds of the a99, which supposedly has optimal DR at the non-native ISO of 50 according to P2P. Yet, when you read elsewhere, like DPreview, it states:
"As is the case with Nikon and Canon DSLRs, the A99's ISO 50 mode is an 'extension' ISO sensitivity setting, which gives roughly 0.7 EV less highlight dynamic range than ISO settings of 100 and higher." which is my experience with that camera.
I have wondered this for years, even asked it several times on these forums. In my experience from owning the a99, I would not shoot at ISO 50 for optimal DR. Perhaps a similar phenom is happening as others have explained with the Leicas here, where the DR range shifts so we get less DR in the highlights but more overall DR.
I am a big fan of the DR being based more in the highlights than shadows--it really changes the look and feel of the files. Despite the way my a7x cameras handle total DR and especially shadows, I find the highlight treatment lacking compared to some other brands. I like the highlight treatment on analog compared to digital, broadly speaking, despite the lesser DR. I also have found some cameras like the Sony 850 or m240 to have a wonderful tone and feel, despite the the now crappy DR, and preferable treatments of lights, even though they do blow more easily. They seem to balance the DR differently aside from being a smaller range. I know many loved the Fuji s5 Pro for the treatment of lights and highlights as well.
I have also found the way highlights and total shifts is handled more delicately with some lenses and others even on the same sensor. So I think if we are comparing sensors, it is good to not only shoot the same light, but you these exact same lens for comparative purposes.
As for the collective habit of not blowing highlights, I used to be guilty. What I have found is that if you blow the highlights in a natural type way, a bit more gradual and in tonal symmetry with the rest of the photo, I don't mind it at all---and often prefer it. Same with absolute blacks. I used to avoid and process and shoot around, now I like and will often crush or leave them rather than balance them, despite it's less technical and that I often have the data in the file if I chose to harness it. I think it often makes for more compelling less homogenous photos executed well. It’s a stylistic choice, but below are all examples where I didn’t extract as much balanced DR but I prefer them:
we should have a dedicated thread for crushed shadows or blonde highlights, I bet it would be about two pages
Re: Leica M10 and M10-P: Stay way from ISO 100 in contrasty lighting
Very interesting thread.
Reminds of the a99, which supposedly has optimal DR at the non-native ISO of 50 according to P2P. Yet, when you read elsewhere, like DPreview, it states:
"As is the case with Nikon and Canon DSLRs, the A99's ISO 50 mode is an 'extension' ISO sensitivity setting, which gives roughly 0.7 EV less highlight dynamic range than ISO settings of 100 and higher." which is my experience with that camera.
I have wondered this for years, even asked it several times on these forums. In my experience from owning the a99, I would not shoot at ISO 50 for optimal DR. Perhaps a similar phenom is happening as others have explained with the Leicas here, where the DR range shifts so we get less DR in the highlights but more overall DR.
I am a big fan of the DR being based more in the highlights than shadows--it really changes the look and feel of the files. Despite the way my a7x cameras handle total DR and especially shadows, I find the highlight treatment lacking compared to some other brands. I like the highlight treatment on analog compared to digital, broadly speaking, despite the lesser DR. I also have found some cameras like the Sony 850 or m240 to have a wonderful tone and feel, despite the the now crappy DR, and preferable treatments of lights, even though they do blow more easily. They seem to balance the DR differently aside from being a smaller range. I know many loved the Fuji s5 Pro for the treatment of lights and highlights as well.
As for the collective habit of not blowing highlights, I used to be guilty. What I have found is that if you blow the highlights in a natural type way, a bit more gradual and in tonal symmetry with the rest of the photo, I don't mind it at all---and often prefer it. Same with absolute blacks. I used to avoid and process and shoot around, now I like and will often crush or leave them rather than balance them, despite it's less technical and that I often have the data in the file if I chose to harness it. I think it often makes for more compelling less homogenous photos executed well.
Jun 01, 2021 at 03:05 PM
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