Fred Miranda wrote: JVan_02 wrote: Fred Miranda wrote: nehemiahphoto wrote: tzhang4284 wrote:
The Sony A7C eliminated most of my interest in a full frame sensor point and shoot camera. With the right lens - the 28-60mm, 35mm f2.8, 40mm f2.5, 50mm f2.5, and many others, the Sony a7C is pretty much on par or better than most of the options out there with a very minimal size penalty, if any at all.
but you take a rendering and speed penalty. I am sure some are happy and consider the a7c with a small lens comparable to an RX1, but I notice quite a difference.
In my opinion, Sony missed a great opportunity with their new compact lenses. I'd prefer if they were f/2 but don't mind f/2.5. What I do mind is that it looks like resolution was a main priority while rendering was just an afterthought.
There is nothing on the market like the RX1 series yet. It's still the smallest full frame camera with a lens capable of high resolution and superior rendering. The latter is still more pleasant than any other recent released 35mm lens imo.
Sony just needs to improve specular highlights' onion ring pattern (easy with their new tech), flare resistance, lower loCA slightly and keep the same rendering. On the camera side, improve the battery, menu and AF speed. The pop-up viewfinder is a bit annoying but has better magnification than the A7C's. Both usable though.
Outside of the recent $8k 35 APO-Summicron M, is there any compact interchangable lens that actually manages to achieve high resolution and excellent rendering without relying on a trade off like undercorrected SA? I can't think of any.
While the new G lenses certainly aren't rendering stars they don't make the same mistake as lenses like the 35 1.8 FE. Considering they can all be used wide open at MFD to pretty good effect, I'd say many would find them more useful than lenses that render well but need to be stopped down 1-2 stops at distances under a meter.
Based on the sample gallery I've seen on Dpreview, the Leica 35/2 APO's rendering is similar to the Voigtlander 35/2 APO's with negligible color error and a very clean modern look. The lens is capable of high resolution/contrast but specular highlights also have defined outlining and therefore a more structured draw.
From all the 35mm lenses I've tried, the Voigtlander 35/1.2 III @f/2 and 35/1.7 get the closest to the RX1's Sonnar (although not as smooth focus transition) and oddly the FE 24/1.4 GM in crop mode also provides a similar look. Still, none of these alternatives are as compact as the RX1 series.
I think there are lenses that give images more 'bite', 'pop' or 'Zeiss look' compared to the RX1 or alternatives I mentioned, but this always works against rendering. One example is the new Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM. It's a more balanced approach with that 'Zeiss look' while still providing a pleasant neutral rendering, although not quite the same as the best rendering lenses.
IMO, the new FE 50/1.2 GM and 135/1.8 GM lenses follow this same mold as well, whereas the FE 85/1.4 GM renders closer to the 24/1.4 GM and Sonnar 35/2. It looks like recent Sony lenses will continue this more neutral approach to rendering while providing higher resolution/contrast but I'm curious to see the draw from a future Sony 85mm version II.
Notable summary Fred. Thank you !
I am a fan of all these 35s to include what I am seeing with ZX1. Going to hand with the GM 35 for my Sony system the foreseeable future, and the Leica 35 FLE for my rangefinder system. 35 Heaven !
I think many of us have seen these ZX1 images already...
